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	There is only ONE country in the middle east where arabs can democraticaly elect... Full PM-box? Change here!

...their leaders.

Do you know where?

Israel.

	15-06-2003 22:18									#2
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Unfortunately, they are a minority in that country and they sometimes face problems from the majority population.

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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen ...their leaders. Do you know where?

Yes. It's called Turkey.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Unfortunately, they are a minority in that country and they sometimes face problems from the majority population.

*shrug* there are Arab members of the Kneset(Congress equivlent), so its not as if they havent gotten their own into goverment.

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"*shrug* there are Arab members of the Kneset(Congress equivlent), so its not as if they havent gotten their own into goverment."



Doesn't do much good though, seeing as how they are never part of a governing coalition. It certainly hasn't stopped them from becoming second class citizens.

	15-06-2003 22:21									#6
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Yes. It's called Turkey.

Turkey is in Asia/Asia minor.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi "*shrug* there are Arab members of the Kneset(Congress equivlent), so its not as if they havent gotten their own into goverment." Doesn't do much good though, seeing as how they are never part of a governing coalition. It certainly hasn't stopped them from becoming second class citizens.

The Druiz are second class citizens?

News to me.

	15-06-2003 22:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen Turkey is in Asia/Asia minor.

So is the Middle East.

Turkey is not strictly speaking an Arab country - but it certainly is a Muslim country.

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Its debatible where the middle east is, but Turkey is in Asia.

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Druze aren't arabs, and yes, they pretty much are. Certainly not first-class citizens. Not to speak of palestinian arabs.

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quote: Originally posted by Firelad Druze aren't arabs, and yes, they pretty much are. Certainly not first-class citizens. Not to speak of palestinian arabs.

No they arent lol.

	15-06-2003 22:44									#12
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Vesayen: ?

Anyway, I have Druze and Arabs at school and in the neighborhood. So please don't teach me about them

	15-06-2003 22:53									#13
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You are correct that Arabs in Israel are the only ones who live in a real dmeocracy. Unfortunitelly, it is not a democracy in which they are equal.

If you can tell me that an Arab or Druze can one day be Prime Minister, President (as symbolic as it is) and head of Staff of the IDF , then you can say they are equal citizens of Israel.

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An Arab can be the Prime Minister of Israel(or President or Chief of Staff).

At the current political climate it's simply as unlikely as having a monkey as the President of the United States.
Hmmm....

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wait

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there's hope for israel after all

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Can Arabs serve in the IDF? (I know druze get drafted, but do Arabs get drafted?)

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whats "druze"?

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quote: Originally posted by GePap Can Arabs serve in the IDF? (I know druze get drafted, but do Arabs get drafted?)

Arabs dont get drafted but I think they can volunteer.
I really dont know what posts those who volunteer get.

There are some high ranking druzes in the IDF. The commander of the Givati brigade is one them.

	16-06-2003 01:55									#20
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If Arabs are equal citizens of Israel, why are they not called equally by thier country to protect it?

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Because no one trusts them to do the job right.

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... and because they dont want to.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap You are correct that Arabs in Israel are the only ones who live in a real dmeocracy. Unfortunitelly, it is not a democracy in which they are equal. If you can tell me that an Arab or Druze can one day be Prime Minister, President (as symbolic as it is) and head of Staff of the IDF , then you can say they are equal citizens of Israel.

There is NOTHING in the system which would descriminate against an arab or a druze being president-there are no laws on the books preventing one from becoming so. Lets see a Jew or Christian be elected the leader of Iran lol!

quote: Originally posted by Firelad Vesayen: ? Anyway, I have Druze and Arabs at school and in the neighborhood. So please don't teach me about them

I go to Israel every summer and became good friends with a familly of Druze who live where I stay..... Insofar as I can tell, and what they tell me, for the most part they arent descriminated against.

Can we get the "official" word from Eli or Sirnotikov?

quote: Originally posted by GePap Can Arabs serve in the IDF? (I know druze get drafted, but do Arabs get drafted?)

They arent required, but they can-and enrollment is high amoung Druze. There are somehigh ranking Druze in the IDF.

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 whats "druze"?

A sect of Arabs who live in Israel, and are treated well.

quote: Originally posted by GePap If Arabs are equal citizens of Israel, why are they not called equally by thier country to protect it?

Politics of individuals........HOWEVER there is no state sanctioned descrimination, shown by the fact some are elected, unlike every other state in the region has.



And reading on, Eli already said half of what I did, LOL!

	16-06-2003 03:36									#24
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Egypt?

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Egypt?

And on that note: Morocco?

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Well, let's say that the situation in Israel is probably best. But you can also say that there was little state sanctioned discrimination against blacks in the '60 in the US...
Why official word from Siro or Eli? Am I not good enough? I live in Haifa, home of coexistence. If this is coexistence then I wonder what's in other places... I mean the situation here is reasonable but leagues from perfect. Or from anything resembling perfect.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap If you can tell me that an Arab or Druze can one day be Prime Minister, President (as symbolic as it is) and head of Staff of the IDF , then you can say they are equal citizens of Israel.

Who can tell what will happen "one day". As of today there isn't feasable political support for an Arab to be PM, but then, it probably isn't politically feasble for an Arab American (or a woman, or an African American or an Asian American or a...) to be President in the US today, either.

(BTW, isn't there an Arab in Sharon's cabinet? Or was that under Barak?)

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Egypt?

If you consider Egypt a real democracy, then im Johnt.


Fireland, I wasent aware you were Israeli.

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quote: Doesn't do much good though, seeing as how they are never part of a governing coalition.

Are you stoopeed?

They were an active part of every left government for the last 10 years!!!

	17-06-2003 03:28									#30
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There are several druze arabs in Likud.

Many in the IDF.

The muslim arabs are not drafted and usually don't volunteer.

It's problematic, because we can't draft them and expect them to guard the territories or fight against their possible relatives in neighbouring Arab countries.