23-06-2003 17:29									#31
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I would like to ask the Tribunal whether I am allowed private correspondences with Senor Torquemada.

Daniel de la Civ

	23-06-2003 18:23									#32
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I wish to speak for the defendant when the time is due.

	23-06-2003 21:07									#33
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I call to the stand Senor Thud, the Senechal. I trust he shall arrive in due time.

These are my questions:

Senor, you have seen my opening evidence. Is this what you heard Senor Torquemada proclaim?

Was Senor Torquemada not, as he said, addressing the common people of Spain in an attempt to remove from power the King?

Does this, in your opinion as Senechal, not suggest a treasonous situation?

Do you think that his father's suicide might have driven him into madness?

Has he attempted to deny or repent of his actions?

Has he attempted to escape?

Has an attempt been made to free him?

What response do the common people of Spain show towards him?

Cardinal Calamari

	24-06-2003 02:50									#34
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 I would like to ask the Tribunal whether I am allowed private correspondences with Senor Torquemada. Daniel de la Civ

His counsel is the only one allowed to. But only in court and only verbal communications. (you may whisper)

	24-06-2003 17:19									#35
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*in a whisper*
Senor Torquemada, I urge you to reconsider your earlier plea. Even if the law that you are being charged under is a bad one, you have still broken it. AS for blasphemy against the church, even if the church is evil, you have declared it to be wrong, and that is the very definition of blasphemy. You have also committed treason against the King, for openly opposing his rule is by definition treason against him. Even if you convince the Tribunal that what you have said is true, they would still be obliged to convict you because the law is the law.

If you plead guilty, I promise you I can save your life and perhaps get a rather light sentence. If you do not, there is little I can do to help you and you will most likely be executed.

Daniel de la Civ

	24-06-2003 22:26									#36
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 *in a whisper* Senor Torquemada, I urge you to reconsider your earlier plea. Even if the law that you are being charged under is a bad one, you have still broken it. AS for blasphemy against the church, even if the church is evil, you have declared it to be wrong, and that is the very definition of blasphemy. You have also committed treason against the King, for openly opposing his rule is by definition treason against him. Even if you convince the Tribunal that what you have said is true, they would still be obliged to convict you because the law is the law. If you plead guilty, I promise you I can save your life and perhaps get a rather light sentence. If you do not, there is little I can do to help you and you will most likely be executed. Daniel de la Civ

*in another whisper*

Senor de la Civ,

As I have reconsidered my political stance, updating my declaration dated june 15 by a revised version date june 22, reading as follows :
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Cancel and replace all previous editions

There is nothing wrong in the kingdom.

We are strong
We are rich
We are respected and feared
We are ahead

How could all this have happened ?

Because King Togas has not yet retire (although he would certainly be entitled to, considering the Herculean works already accomplished), and we are fortunate that he enjoys nothing more than governing Spain.

What must be done ?

Nothing, keep quiet and have a good siesta.

Spain is doing fine, all patriots must be happy.
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I must plead guilty for the time elapsed between june 15 and june 22, one week, and non-guilty thereafter. If I was to be punished for the week I was guilty, I understand that this punishment should be limited to a week, and that it should leave intact the innocent person I became again on june 22.

	24-06-2003 23:40									#37
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Is this a declaration?

In this case, let me put forward to you that your argument is nothing but an incoherent, nonsensical pile of dingo's kidneys.

How can a man be guilty for a week and not guilty the next? You changed your pamphlet, yes, but you already proclaimed the original thing for a week in the city streets and nailed your treasonous letter up for all to see!

You can either be guilty or not guilty.

So, which is it?

*in a whisper...*

Plead guilty, boy, plead guilty, save yourself from the executioner's rope and knife.

Cardinal Calamari

	25-06-2003 02:58									#38
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I will testify for the defense, if the Court wishes me to do so.

Spamish Mitchell
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	25-06-2003 03:36									#39
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*Whisper*

I assumed you were being sarcastic and I expect the Tribunal to agree

	25-06-2003 13:19									#40
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quote: How can a man be guilty for a week and not guilty the next? You changed your pamphlet, yes, but you already proclaimed the original thing for a week in the city streets and nailed your treasonous letter up for all to see!

This is the difference between material crimes and opinion offenses. Most of material crimes, such as murder, cannot be undone; but opinions can change. In this case, when you read my two statements, it is clear that my view and understanding of the situation of the kingdom has change radically. Therefore, it is true that after a short period where I was possibly guilty, I revert to a state of perfect innocence.

	25-06-2003 13:24									#41
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 *Whisper* I assumed you were being sarcastic and I expect the Tribunal to agree

*Lowest possible whisper (for Calamari not to hear)*

I assumed the Tribunal to be sarcasm-proof.

	25-06-2003 21:19									#42
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We assume that Senor Torquemada was being sarcastic.

In fact, we also assume that he has no wish to retract his statements, because everything he says amounts to a pile of dingo's kidneys.

Even if he'd meant it, no one would take it seriously, and we'd still have to flay him a bit.

We assume that, because he refuses to give us a direct answer, he is in contempt of the court.

We assume that Senor Thud is preparing a response...

Cardinal Calamari

	27-06-2003 01:25									#43
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I am afraid that, due to domestic troubles in San Agustin regarding my cousin Roberto, I will be unable to continue aiding Senor Torquemada in his defense.

Daniel de la Civ

	27-06-2003 20:13									#44
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Hmmm...

The groundlings are getting bored.

Any idea of speeding up this trial?

Hey! Senor Thud! Where the hey are ye?

Gastronome Neecap

	27-06-2003 20:57									#45
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy We assume that Senor Torquemada was being sarcastic. In fact, we also assume that he has no wish to retract his statements, because everything he says amounts to a pile of dingo's kidneys. Even if he'd meant it, no one would take it seriously, and we'd still have to flay him a bit. We assume that, because he refuses to give us a direct answer, he is in contempt of the court. We assume that Senor Thud is preparing a response... Cardinal Calamari

Eminence,

I am a bit worried that you assume so often, because it always amounts to making a judgement on my intents which is a thing that no human being, even judges, are allowed to make.

But which is worse, you also make assumptions on the reaction of the general public, although you have not the beginning of an evidence.

And least, although everything I said regarding this trial was said in this court, you assume that I am in contempt of the court. My respect for the Court is an almost perfect illustration of the infinite.

I therefore respectfully ask the Court to stop assuming and start examining the facts, and particularly those that I brought to its attention. As you know, my defence has been unfortunately reduced to almost nothing after the greatest lawyer of Spain (after you Eminence), was obliged to give up. But my innocence is my best shield, and I am confident that it will be recognized soon.


Innocently yours,


Tomas de Torquemada

	28-06-2003 05:15									#46
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I'm awaiting orders on this. Things are getting too confusing. Indeed, I've found that I myself am a supporter of the Republic, that the countryside has risen up into arms, and that half of the general population wants you freed and that the other half just wants to burn you just for the heck of it.

Fact is...we've all rebelled. Republic is on the way, it seems. I've given up trying to follow it.

Your Holiness,

Tell me what to do with this man? Can I release him? If Republic is coming, there's no need to hold him prisoner any longer...

*low whisper that no one hears*

Unless the Swiss Guards want to run him up the flag-pole again, or something. That's just like them.

*back to normal voice*

I await your decision.

Besides, it appears as if this trial is going absolutely nowhere, because 1) we all know he's guilty and 2) the Monarchy is being replaced anyway.

Cardinal Calamari

	28-06-2003 06:24									#47
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I want him burned, for the hell of it.

Then again, considering his innocence (well, not to the law, but to the land, you could say), we could just make an effigy of him and burn that?

	28-06-2003 07:57									#48
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Hmm, what the cardinal says is true...
many are claiming to be republicans now... many are even using a īīflagīī of the republic...
Let me know if you see someone with such a treacherous simbol of rebelion...

*Nuclearis Winterius hides this flag behind him while leving the court*

	28-06-2003 15:52									#49
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The crimes were commited regardless of what is currently happening. If the laws of the land were violated then a trial must be held. If the laws change during this trial, then the accused may ask for a dismissal of charges. If the laws change after this trial ends and he is found guilty he may ask for an appeal.
[OOC] If he's still alive...[/OOC]

I am concerned with the here and now. What this man stands accused of is in clear violation of current law. The crimes he is accused of are not crimes to be described as his voicing an opinion about what a new or different governement might benefit Spain and her people; rather the evidence brought forth suggests that the accused was simply trying to incite a riot to bring change about. If the accused had brought up points for a new form of governement instead of belittling our King and our current system of governence then that would be another matter. The medium used and the manner his message was tranmitted, as testified to, is against the current law.

The trial shall proceed.

Does the prosecution rest it's case?

	28-06-2003 16:50									#50
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The accused that broken the Law of the Church. Since then the Law has been changed only once, but that has no effect on this trial, because this man did not undermine the position of the Pope or the King (Law of the Church, General Law, Article VI). The suspect is accused of insulting the Pope and committing treason towards the King. Whether this accusation is true or not, I will not say now, but the trial may not be dropped because of recent events, not even if the court is stormed and the accused is freed.
Only if the Law of the Church is changed in favor of the accused, he can be released because the crimes he committed are no longer considered crimes.

In addition to the statements made by various people who are active in this trial, I want to state that republicanism is outlawed.
Article VI states that any attempt to undermine the position of the King and the Pope is forbidden and that republicanism is outlawed.

Nuclearis Winterius III is arrested for republicanism. In the dungeaons of the Chuch he will await his trial.

[ooc]When it comes to a revolution, the Church will be ultra-conservative and will stick to outlawing republicanism and will do everything to keep the monarchy, although as a member of this team I favor the republic over the monarchy.
I hope that the King's troops and the Swiss Guards will together battle against the republicans. After years of civil war, a compromise will be found (Togas's plan of a republic): The Church will remain powerful in the judicial branch, the republicans get their House of Lords, the King remains King. Then the Church will drop Article VI or the General Law and republicanism will no longer be outlawed.

I hope you like this RP story and I hope you want to play it with me. [ooc]

Pope Aidun I

	29-06-2003 08:01									#51
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Ooops... wait, hey you silly kraut get your hands off of me! Now! Graaahhh I told you to get your krautish hands off of me! What a silly acusation! Republicanism? That flag is a Flag I found today at my garden, in New Madrid, and as it had so many colors and rawings, and the sybol of spain inside it, I tought it was some sort of governamental banner...I swear! reconsider your decision, Pope, or you will be unfair!
[ooc]Hehehe, as you all may have noticed, diferently from his cousin Pablo, Nuclearis the III was always.. hmm how can I say.. a bit too innovative hehe Weīll see if he goes to jail or if he saves his Republican arse...

	29-06-2003 08:11									#52
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*Pablo Winterius enters the room*
I have heard of the great mess you conjured upon yourself with your distracted mind, Nuclearis...

My most Holy Pope Aidun the First, I beg of you that you release this man, I sincerely believe he says the truth! As you may see, he has always been a loyal servant of King Togas!I donīt recall seeing him making any statement in favour of republicanism, and just because he picekd some weird flag it doesnīt mean he is republican...! Besides, I myself didnīt know this flag simbolised republic .

	29-06-2003 18:03									#53
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The Flag is clearly not the flag of the Kingdom of Spain, which is coloured red-yellow-red, with the arms of Spain in the yellow part. Anyone using a different flag, does apparently not support the monarchy and is thus a republican. Seņor Nuclearis Winterius will held captice until the Inquisition has completed its current trial. If the republicans will keep themselves quiet, he might only be punished with imprisonment instead of death. [ooc]Don'taccept this, but go revolting[/ooc]

The Church will not tolerate that the King, who represents the almighty God in the world, will be forced to abdicate by foul rioters like republicans. The monarchy is the only fair form of government and so it will be until the end of time.

Pope Aidun I

	29-06-2003 20:18									#54
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SO now the Pope makes up a flag for Spain?
Spain never had a flag! HA!NOw this... we only have the shield of the united kingdom of spain. Never have we had anything like this!!! The colors around donīt make it more republican or less!!! If someone were to call satanas God, and pray to Him with evil intentions, he would be no less sinner !!!
*The Swiss guards continue to drag Nuclearis Winterius the III to the dungeons*
This is taxation without representation!!! UNFAIR!!!! Let me GO!!! Graaaahhh!!! Iīm gonna call the Santiago Chargers!!! I swear I will!!

	30-06-2003 07:36									#55
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Your Holiness,

I apologize for the interruption. We shall proceed.

Has anyone seen the Watcher, Senor Thud, or has he too vanished in the mob of rioters?

Light the torches, men, a full-scale search must be organized for the Watcher.

While we wait, I call Pablo Winterius to the witness box.

Senor Winterius,

Good sir, when did you first lay eyes on the accused?

Did you see him, in New Madrid, proclaiming that treasonous and vindictive letter on high before the crowds?

Did you hear him later say that he was calling upon the common people for revolution?

Did you hear him demand that the King be removed from power?

Did you hear him insult the Pope?

Do you think that his father's death could have influenced these actions?

Do you think that he is totally insane?

Thank you.

Cardinal Calamari

	01-07-2003 16:32									#56
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Nuclearis Winterius III has proved himself unguilty. He was but a bit naive to show that flag in these revolutionary days. He will be immediately released.

Guards! Give this man back his freedom.

Pope Aidun I

	02-07-2003 02:46									#57
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Judge Libre,

Might some semblance of order be established in this court?

Cardinal Calamari

	02-07-2003 16:38									#58
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This trial is in recess until further notice. The accused will be held in custody until such time court is in session.


[ooc]
I want to see some major rioting going on in support of the current wave of republicanism. Once we make the switch, I will have to declare a mistrial since there will no longer be a basis for prosecution. We need to turn some of this into something we can present in the public forums. A story or a narrative would be great! Who's up for the task? Maybe a few of you guys can collaberate on something.
[/ooc]

	02-07-2003 17:31									#59
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[ooc]I will do so I have already announced this in the S.P.I.N. thread of UnOrthOdOx. Keep in mind however that it might also be an idea to get information that we would not give free without such a S.P.I.N.. Watch out that you don't tell strangers and non-Spaniards too much about our internal rolepley. Our roleplay is mostly related to ingame issues and anyone who understands the language of this team good enough can translate a roleplay story into the truth.
We could say that there has been another attempt of the republicans to replace the monarchy by a republic, but that they have failed and that the monarchists have won: Justino Togas I is still King of Spain.
By using a term like the House of Lords, or the older term of the Thane Council, we can hide that we have a Senate.
Also by referring a lot to the Church and the Inquisition, we can make the story juicy, but not too clear for outsiders. By describing the Church and the Inquisition like they are the most poweful organizations in Spain and by pretending that it is the Pope rather than the King who rules Spain, we gan give outsiders a rather different impression of Spain than the impression they would like to have.

[/ooc]

Aidun

	02-07-2003 20:38									#60
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Ummm...speaking of rioting, did you chaps notice that some of the populace outside happens to be carrying a gigantic battering ram, shouting "Kill Torquemada! Kill Torquemada!" and sometimes "Kill everyone else! Kill everyone else!"?

And is it just me, or are they burning a cat at the stake?

And is it just me or...

(Suddenly, a baliff breaks into a run, lifting his knife at the Pope and the Cardinal, screaming "Death to the Papists! Long live the Druids! Vive la Revolutione!"

He runs forward, cutting through the crowd, his knife poised to strike the Pope and the Cardinal down before the Swiss Guards can stop him...

Suddenly, from out of the crowd, Cardinal Calamari's secretary, Gastronome Neecap V leaps in front of the assassin...the knife is buried in his chest as the Swiss Guards hurl their pikes into the revolutionary's side.

Blood splatters all over the place from the assassin's wound, for he falls back against the Dock. Torquemada shudders in horror as his shirt is ruined.

The Pope and the Cardinal kneel by the body of the heroic secretary, giving him the sacrament of extreme unction.)

Cardinal Calamari