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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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'Roe' Wants Abortion Case Reversed

DALLAS, June 17, 2003


(AP) The former plaintiff known as "Jane Roe" in the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court case that legalized abortion sought to have the case overturned in a motion filed Tuesday that asks the courts to consider new evidence that abortion hurts women.

Norma McCorvey, who joined the anti-abortion fight nearly 10 years ago and says she regrets her role in Roe v. Wade, said the Supreme Court's decision is no longer valid because scientific and anecdotal evidence that has come to light in the last 30 years has shown the negative effects of abortion.

"We're getting our babies back," a jubilant McCorvey said at a news conference while flanked by about 60 women, some who sobbed and held signs that read "I regret my abortion."

"I feel like the weight of the world has just been lifted off my shoulders," said McCorvey, 55.

Sarah Weddington, the abortion advocate and attorney who originally represented McCorvey, did not immediately return a call seeking comment. A representative from the National Organization for Women also did not immediately return a message.

Allen Parker Jr., McCorvey's attorney, said he could not remember any other landmark case in which the plaintiff has asked to have it overturned.

"I think the new evidence will show the court what they thought was good will turn out to be an instrument of wrong," said Parker, who is with the San Antonio-based Texas Justice Foundation.

McCorvey filed the motion with the federal district court in Dallas, which ruled to legalize abortion in Texas before the Supreme Court ruling. The Texas attorney general's office and Dallas district attorney each have 20 days to respond to the motion.

McCorvey and her attorneys asked the federal court to consider more than 5,400 pages of evidence, including 1,000 affidavits from women who say they regret their abortions.

McCorvey was a 21-year-old carnival barker when, pregnant for the third time, she sought an abortion. She agreed to be the plaintiff in a lawsuit seeking to overturn Texas' anti-abortion statute.

The Supreme Court decision came after she had the baby. It was the third child she put up for adoption. McCorvey publicly identified herself as Jane Roe in 1980.


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Is it possible to reopen and overturn a case like this if the winner of the case requests it?

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Sadly, no. Like it says, it's been 10 years since she "joined the anti-abortion fight". If something could have been done with this it would have been done millions of abortions ago.

It just goes on and on MM. I figure it will be wrath of God time one of these days.

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i read somewhere (possibly on newsmax) that 'jane roe' was now an anti-abortion activist, this action will make no impact in legal terms though.

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COckney, since this is the set precendent, I think it could.


In any case, I think today's abortion laws are unfair. Both parents should have equal say in the baby's future.

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no it won't. the ruling was made on a point of law (that the right to an abortion is protected by the constitution), the court is hardly likely to say it decided wrongly and say that abortion isn't protected under the constitution because the women who brought the original action has had a change of heart.

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And this is old news, anyway. I wonder why it's reappearing again? Is the anniversary of Roe v. Wade approaching?

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I hope she has someone rich bankrolling this because the Federal courts are likely to declare this frivilous and make her pay the person she sues legal fees. I'm somewhat curious who it would be though since Wade is dead, IIRC.

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This is very old news. It's also completely irrelevent. We're never going back to the days of back alleys and coat hangers.

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We're never going back to the days of back alleys and coat hangers.
Overturning Roe wouldn't make abortion illegal, che. It would only return the issue to the states where it belongs.

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Bah, the states are crazy.

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DD, do you not think a whole host of states wouldn't run out and outlaw abortion if they had the power? This is why I hate the concept of states' rights, because it's only ever about the states' rights to take citizens' rights away.

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Let's talk about Norma McCovey, the "Roe" in Roe V Wade.

She lied about being raped.
The pregnancy in question was her third at age 18. The other two kids were given up for adoption.
She has since become a member of a cult/Christian group which preaches that the Jews are responsible for the War on Terror and that Arabs are our friends in the fight against Judaism.... don't you think it's possible she's been brainwashed?

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Sometimes a person outgrows their initial bad first opinions.
And Che, that is total crap, again.

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Yee hah! We're Texans who don't want the Fed's to tell us to do. That's the State of Texas' job.

No, Sloww, I only ever here of "states' rights" when the state in question doesn't want to treat its citizenry fairly, as in the issue of slavery, civil rights, abortion rights, overtime, patent enforcement, quality education . . . Hell, the only time these states' righters don't want states' rights is when it interferes with their ability to defraud the whole country and stik an unelected loser in the nation's highest office.

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She has since become a member of a cult/Christian group which preaches that the Jews are responsible for the War on Terror and that Arabs are our friends in the fight against Judaism....

She sounds like the people in the Leftist demonstrations in europe.

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DD, do you not think a whole host of states wouldn't run out and outlaw abortion if they had the power?
No because in the 5 years before 1973, 16 states, with 41 percent of the nation's population — including then-Governor Reagan's California — liberalized their abortion laws. I also doubt any state that would outlaw 1st trimester abortions (the most commont type).

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She sounds like the people in the Leftist demonstrations in europe.
Wow, the Christian Right and the European Left are the same? Or perhaps it just goes to show there are morons in every political camp.

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Yee hah! We're Texans who don't want the Fed's to tell us to do. That's the State of Texas' job.

No, Sloww, I only ever here of "states' rights" when the state in question doesn't want to treat its citizenry fairly, as in the issue of slavery, civil rights, abortion rights, overtime, patent enforcement, quality education . . . Hell, the only time these states' righters don't want states' rights is when it interferes with their ability to defraud the whole country and stik an unelected loser in the nation's highest office.


I tell you what, hot-shot.
I'm about as tired of hearing references to slavery as I am seeing discussions degenerate to references of Hitler.
Why don't one of you start a slavery thread.
Put forth all your supreme knowledge, so I can dismantle once and for all.
Go get your mis-informed History professor wannabe from Iowa to help.
Blow his ass out of the water while I'm at it.

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Texas is also responsible for our silly marijuana laws... which were a product of racism against Mexicans.

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No because in the 5 years before 1973, 16 states, with 41 percent of the nation's population — including then-Governor Reagan's California — liberalized their abortion laws. I also doubt any state that would outlaw 1st trimester abortions (the most commont type).


That was a different time. The nation has moved very far to the right, such that if Nixon could run on his 1972 platform today, he'd be running to the left of the mainstream of the Democratic Party. Since then, many states have tried to restrict abortion access as much as possible. Every few years, a state tries to ban 3rd timester abortions. Many states require a mandatory waiting period, i.e., you go to the doctor, then you have to come back 24 to 48 hours later. That means another day off work, and if you live in the 86% of US counties that have no abortion providers, a long trip with all the expenses that entails. Then there's the parental notification laws, even in cases of sexually or physically abusive parents (some laws have the ability for the teen to get a judge's permission in such cases). In such states as Louisiana and Alabama I can easily see abortion outlawed.

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Shut up, Sava. We deal with Mexicans by getting other Mexicans to lock themin the back of hot trailers.

You know, I wrote of those illegals, 19 or whatever this last time dying in the trailer.
Seriously, it was a Hispanic 23 year old woman running the operation.
Done with the thread-jack now.

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This is why I hate the concept of states' rights,
This is off topic but you brought this up. From this statement, can I take it that you support Ashcroft pissing on California's marijuana initiative?

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Settle down there cowpoke, you know I never miss an opprotunity to take a swing at Texas.

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Why don't yo ucome visiting in Texas, Sava?
No kidding. You can always leave, you know.

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That's okay Slowwy, I have a low tolerance for pickup truck driving white trash. It's like kryptonite for me man. D

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That's okay Slowwy, I have a low tolerance for pickup truck driving white trash. It's like kryptonite for me man. D


Says the man from Chicago's South suburbs.

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This is off topic but you brought this up. From this statement, can I take it that you support Ashcroft pissing on California's marijuana initiative?


You think you got me here, don'tcha. Well you don't.

Seriously, this sort of illustrates my point. Here we have states laws that increase the freedom of their citizens, and these "states' righters" like Ashcroft bring down the full weight of the Federal government upon them. States' rights is a sham.

Only humans should have rights.

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You think you got me here, don'tcha. Well you don't.
Actually I do. Because Ashcroft isn't a State's righter.

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Wow, the Christian Right and the European Left are the same? Or perhaps it just goes to show there are morons in every political camp.

Nah, it just shows Azazel never went to a leftist demonstration in Europe

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You could bring your nappy ass too, Che.

 
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