18-06-2003 21:21									#1
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU PLAY WITH FIRE, ANNELI

Krhm.

Basically, Finland's PM Anneli Jäättenmäki is withdrawing from the PM post over a scandal over leaked government notes over Iraq war.

If we all clap our hands maybe this'll lead to the long-needed downfall of the Centre Party.

	18-06-2003 21:33									#2
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I bet the US is behind it

	18-06-2003 21:34									#3
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What leaked goverment notes?

	18-06-2003 21:37									#4
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Discussions between Dubya and ex-PM Paavo Lipponen which gave the impression that Paavo had committed Finland to the Coalition of the Billing, I mean Willing (understandably this would have been politically rather a suicidal action). Anneli presented them in her webpage and nimbly won the election, then lied about how she had received the information.

	18-06-2003 21:46									#5
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What's wrong with Anneli? Was she better or worse than Paavo?

	18-06-2003 21:47									#6
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How did she say she got them and how did she actually get them?

	18-06-2003 21:59									#7
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quote: What's wrong with Anneli? Was she better or worse than Paavo?

She's from the Centre Party, which is an anachronistic, blatantly populist and evil. That's wrongness enough.

Using classified government information to win elections is pretty bad, too.

quote: How did she say she got them and how did she actually get them?

Basically, the notes were leaked by Martti Manninen, an advisor to President Halonen. Anneli first evaded how she got the notes, then said that he didn't ask for Manninen to give notes to her. Manninen says that Anneli actively sought out for information about Iraq discussions, and apparently he has information to back his words.

There's a political saying in Finland - "Kepu will always betray". (Kepu being an informal nickname for Centre Party.) This was supposed to be the new Kepu that won't betray.

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Apparently the cabinet will remain the same, save for the PM and whoever of the ministers becomes the new PM. The new PM will probably be from the Centre, possibly the minister of defence Vanhanen. In other words, the Centre Party won't meet its demise, unless by some miracle new elections are held. So the only change'll be the PM, but I'm still happy with that since we'll get rid of that harp.

Then again, a week ago the resignation of Jäätteenmäki was considered quite unlikely...

Last edited by Kassiopeia on 18-06-2003 at 22:20

	18-06-2003 22:19									#9
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I'm happy that she stepped down, but what makes it even better is that the Sledge Hammer is not about to take the job. I don't care what party the PM is from as long as it's not The Sledge Hammer.

	18-06-2003 22:21									#10
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Kimi Raikonen for president!

Btw., tell us some more things about finn politics. Will you be building any more nuclear reactors? What about that hill that you want back from Russians to hold olympics on?
What are the issues that win you elections in Finland these days?

	18-06-2003 22:25									#11
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The most important issue is the area of Karelia, which Russians stole from us illegally. And that is the reason why we are about to build one more reactor, because .. I can't tell you, but you get the idea.

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quote: Will you be building any more nuclear reactors?

Aside the fifth one? None are planned. Then again, the Green party isn't in the cabinet and probably won't be, so who knows...

quote: What about that hill that you want back from Russians to hold olympics on?

Huh? There's Karelia, but it's not a hill, nor do we want to hold olympic games there... and it isn't generally considered realistic to demand it back. There are the descendants of the Karelian evacuees, but otherwise no one really cares.

	18-06-2003 22:27									#13
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Don't believe Pekka, Carelia is a side note.

Basically, the big issues are the same as everywhere - "My party can run the government better than your party" and "No, no, my party can run the government twice as good plus infinity better than your party." There weren't really any important issues at stake during the last election.

	18-06-2003 22:28									#14
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Sure.. but what a beautiful side note it is...

	18-06-2003 22:34									#15
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Yay, we made it to CNN.com.

quote: HELSINKI, Finland (Reuters) -- Finland's Prime Minister Anneli Jaatteenmaki said she would resign on Wednesday evening after she used leaked secret state information on Iraq during March parliamentary elections. "If trust goes, it goes. I do not have that trust," Jaatteenmaki told a packed news conference at the parliament. "I did not ask for secret papers."

Suuurrrrre.

	18-06-2003 22:40									#16
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Wait, I am sure that I read that there is some hill Finns desperately want back because you don't have any other large enough hills and you need it for olympics. It used to be a resort.. I dont think it is in the south Karelia, more to the north, but I forgot.

Cool about reactors, I like it that you people are realistic and wont scrap fine nuclear energy just because of some enviromentalist

And are relations with Russia still "lets not angry them" or are you getting more bold..?

	18-06-2003 22:44									#17
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"It's a little more fast-paced than the Bold and the Beautiful." -- my mother about the unfolding of the... scandal (?) today

	18-06-2003 22:47									#18
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Phew, the news were that Jäätteenmäki would be going to the EU convention in Thessalonik, but now it seems that the vice prime minister, the president and the minister of foreign affairs will be representing Finland there.

quote: Cool about reactors, I like it that you people are realistic and wont scrap fine nuclear energy just because of some enviromentalist

Yeah, when the fifth reactor passed the parliament, the Green party actually left the cabinet and moved to the opposition. I like the Greens, save for their policy on nuclear energy.

quote: And are relations with Russia still "lets not angry them" or are you getting more bold..?

We're trying to keep ourselves as neutral as possible, but with the EU and its defence initiative... we might end up in Nato in a decade or so.

	19-06-2003 00:48									#19
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Might be... and after that.. I'll be expecting our beautiful lands to expand to its rightful size.....

	19-06-2003 12:34									#20
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hi ,

it seems there is a problem with the word "secret" in europe nowadays , ......

the belgians had a scandal over notes and files leaked about a eurosong candidate , a tonload in between and now this , ......

how "secret" are those secrets anyway if everyone runs around with them , ......

no wonder the EU fails in most of the things it does , ....

have a nice day

	19-06-2003 14:07									#21
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Here's a Helsingin Sanomat article about the resignation.

http://www.helsinki-hs.net/news.asp?id=20030618IE8

	19-06-2003 18:01									#22
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A regime change without cool explosions, WMD factories, and people dancing in the streets is just not enough... Couldn't you have at least a civil war on the issue, so that the event is a tad more glitzier ?

	19-06-2003 19:02									#23
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Spiffor, I'm just looking into it.

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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Spiffor, I'm just looking into it.

And midsummer provides you with the positive attitude and the booze, which are just what we need for a cuccessful and entertaining civil war

	19-06-2003 19:43									#25
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ah yes they said we'll have 24 PMs in thessaloniki.

25 minus the finn