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Why has Presidential candidate George W. Bush been able to raise uncounted tens of millions of dollars? It can't be because of his positions on the issues; he has scrupulously avoided taking many. It can't be because of his knowledge of world events; he thinks being asked such questions is a trick." (He will embarrassingly lie, saying that he knows the answer to a question, and half a sentence later admit that he doesn't.)

No, George "I'm No Longer Drunk" Bush's support is because the Bush family fortune is old, and it's big, and comes from a century old alliance with the most powerful interests on Wall Street and in industry. Worse, part of Dub-a-Ya's money comes from grandfather Prescott Bush's financial alliance with the Nazis.

On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)

The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler."

Among the companies financed was the Silesian-American Corporation, which was also managed by Prescott Bush, and by his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, who supplied Dub-a-Ya with his name. The company was vital in supplying coal to the Nazi war industry. It too was seized as a Nazi-front on November 17, 1942. The largest company Bush's UBC helped finance was the German Steel Trust, responsible for between one-third and one-half of Nazi iron and explosives.

Prescott Bush was also a director of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, (this one owned largely by Roland's brother, Averell Harriman), which owned about a third of the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, the rest owned by Friedrich Flick, (a member of Himmler's "Circle of Friends" who donated to the S.S.).

Republican Presidential candidate Bush's great-grandfather, Bert Walker, helped organize the Harriman investment in the Hamburg-America Line of ships, of which grandfather Prescott became a director. It was seized on August 28, 1942 because it was used to give free passage to Nazi propaganda and propagandists, and had earlier shipped guns to the Nazi's private armies to assist their takeover of Germany.

Further examples would be more tedious than shocking. But, given these evil financial dealings, how did Prescott later become a Republican Senator, and George H.W. become President? Well,the two leading attorneys for these Bush-Harriman-Nazi deals were John Foster Dulles, later Secretary of State under Eisenhower, and Allen Dulles, future head of the CIA.

Prescott's father, Samuel P. Bush, owned Buckeye Steel Castings Co. which made parts for the Harriman brothers' father's (E.H. Harriman) railroads. Harriman's financing for the railroads came largely from William Rockefeller. These shipped the oil of his brother John D. Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil. (This was the origin of the two Georges' involvement in the oil business.)

Samuel Bush became a leader in President Woodrow Wilson's "War Socialism" as director of small armaments and ammunition on the War Industries Board (which set up coercive price-fixing cartels over American industry during World War I). There, Bush assisted Percy Rockefeller (son of William) in his takeover of small arms manufacturers.

The elder George Bush continued the family tradition of support for totalitarian governments by supporting the Communist Chinese in the UN, and by directly aiding its military as President.

Will the younger George Bush continue to support big government, or will he support free markets? His first political act was a tax increase to subsidize his baseball stadium. When libertarians and conservative Republicans were opposing the bailout of American banks that loaned money to the Mexican government, the Texas Governor supported it, because of his connections to those Wall Street Banks.

This is in keeping with the actual history of the Republican Party. It was founded in the 1850's explicitly as the party of high taxes to subsidize politically connected businesses, (then known as "internal improvements"). All Republican Presidents in the last fifty years have continued to increase the size of the government, and claims of support for free markets and lowered taxes are mere rhetorical cover. Texas Governor George Bush will continue that tradition.

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The Draheim Reportsm is a feature publication of The Dallas Libertarian Post
from http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm

other relevant links:
http://www.baltech.org/lederman/bush-nazi-11-14-00.html
http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/...bushsecrets.htm
http://www.syzygyjob.net/warissues/messages/31007.shtml
http://www.wayfareronline.com/news/.../nov02-031.html

if anyone is interested in reading about the history of Corporate America's links to Nazi Money, may I suggest these books:
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Facts and Fascism By George Seldes (Assisted by Helen Seldes) Sixth Edition In Fact, Inc., NY. 1943

Trading with the Enemy: An Expose of the Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949 By Charles Higham Delecorte Press, NY. 1983

Even the Gods Can't Change History: The Facts Speak for Themselves By George Seldes Lyle Stuart, Inc., NJ. 1976

Power, Inc.: Public and Private Rulers and How to Make Them Accountable By Morton Mintz & Jerry S. Cohen Viking Press, NY. 1976

The Plot to Seize the White House By Jules Archer Hawthorn Books, 1973

It's A Conspiracy!: The Shocking Truth About America's Favorite Conspiracy Theories By Michael Litchfield / The National Insecurity Council EarthWorks Press, CA. 1992

The Secret War Against The Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed The Jewish People By John Loftus and Mark Aarons St. Martin's Press, NY. 1994

One Thousand Americans By George Seldes BONI & GAER, NY. 1947

Spooks: The Haunting of America The Private Use of Secret Agents By Jim Hougan First Bantam Edition William Morrow and Co., NY. 1979

The Sovereign State of ITT By Anthony Sampson Stein and Day, NY. 1973

Democracy for the Few By Michael Parenti Fourth Edition St. Martin's Press, NY. 1983


I'm sure the dumb will fly their denial flag, but there's more than enough information and fact out there for people to educate themselves. Bush has hijacked Conservative ideals just as bin Laden has twisted Islam to suit his sick agenda. I also urge people to read:

"George Bush: The Unauthorised Biography," by Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin

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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html

Here's the truth, that's what you get when you listen to a right-wing fanatical wingnut, no offense, Berzerker.

Try again.

I suppose I should stop drinking Miller Lite just in case the new Germany poses a future threat to the world, I don't want to support the German Miller family in case they have current ties.

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You want George Bush, Sava. That's only reason why you keep bringing up this stuff. It's like the little boy on the playground punching the girl he likes.

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So because everyone else was doing it, it was okay? That's worse than the "I was following orders" excuse.

http://www.lyingsocialistweasels.co...603bushgerm.htm

Before anyone decides to dismiss as lies, note this website has already done the work for you "LyingSocialistWeasels.com". Do a search on the web for "Bush Nazi Money" and you'll find enough sources to shake a stick at.

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You want George Bush, Sava. That's only reason why you keep bringing up this stuff. It's like the little boy on the playground punching the girl he likes.
Exactly. In fact I've got a life-size picture of him with strategically placed holes

Sorry DD, I'm just a pissed off young person who wants to see the enemies of Democracy out of power.

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Err...the article just says his grandpa was a nazi supporter. True or not, as long nazi support isn´t genetic I don´t see what this proves for GW.

I wouldn´t probably vote for him either, but saying he´s bad because his grandpa did some evil things doesn´t make sense.

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**NOTE**
In reference to BeBro's post, this isn't about speculating on the beliefs of Bush. I don't care what Bush really believes, there's no way of proving anything with baseless assertions about what possible motives he may have. I prefer to judge the man by his actions.

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My article still stands, your new article is the same ole'rhetoric.

My company buys from China, does that mean I supported Tinnenan(sp) Square?????

Even Thyssen when he found out what Hitler was up to, got the hell out of Dodge. If Prescott was so quilty then why did the Federal gov't let him keep the 1.5 million from UBC?????

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I don't care what Bush really believes, there's no way of proving anything with baseless assertions about what possible motives he may have. I prefer to judge the man by his actions.


Agree 100%. Bush freed millions of Iraqis from a brutal dictatorship - you said motive doesn't count right?

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Even Thyssen when he found out what Hitler was up to, got the hell out of Dodge. If Prescott was so quilty then why did the Federal gov't let him keep the 1.5 million from UBC?????
Truman didn't seem to like it. He screamed "Treason" during one of the hearings.

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Yeah, and he's left the country in anarchy... your point?

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BTW, you do know Truman is the guy that bomber Japan with nukes, how's does that sit with your ideology.

C'mon Sava, it has been only weeks since the war ended, it takes time to rebuild, you know better than that, and the Americans are still doing it while facing remenants of the Saddam regime. Didn't you hear #4 was caught today.

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Simple question Sava: Are the Iraqis better of now? Yes or no?

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Oh god. Not again, Sava. I couldn't care less about GWB.

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OK, this is weird. My second post has a timestamp earlier than my first one.

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troubles today gunkulator.

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Simple question Sava: Are the Iraqis better of now? Yes or no?
They were better off under Saddam pre-Gulf War I. I'd say they are the same now as they were pre-Gulf War 2. Whether the future will be better, that will remain to be seen. Things aren't looking good.

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BTW, you do know Truman is the guy that bomber Japan with nukes, how's does that sit with your ideology.
I don't think dropping the bombs was necessarily a mistake. I think it saved a lot of American lives, and it certainly kept the Soviets at bay.
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C'mon Sava, it has been only weeks since the war ended, it takes time to rebuild, you know better than that, and the Americans are still doing it while facing remenants of the Saddam regime. Didn't you hear #4 was caught today.
American soldiers and Iraqi children are still dying.

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Oh god. Not again, Sava. I couldn't care less about GWB.
Blame Defiant. He challenged me in the other thread to provide proof of my assertion. Game set match...

anyways, nobody forced you to come to this thread.

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Ah Sava,
Saddam was witholding billions for the oil and food program and that was killing more children, you can't honestly believe they are not better off now. I don't see the 10's of thousands of Kurds or Shiites dying anymore, do you. So far the New Iraq future is weeks old, you really can't even preview it in under a year, if you do, what makes you think so????

Also there are alot of liberals that don't think we needed to bomb Japan, but that is for a different thread.

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I am only challenging you to better yourself and seek the truth, it is out there, and if you don't watch FOX I must pick up the slack.

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They were better off under Saddam pre-Gulf War I. I'd say they are the same now as they were pre-Gulf War 2.


I see. So the 375,000 Iraqi casualties from the Iran/Iraq war plus the 100,000 dead Kurds plus Kuwait losses plus whatever the cost would have been when Saddam invaded Saudi Arabia - all of these pale in comparison to the evilness of the Americans? You are simply amazing, Sava.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that maybe, just maybe, GWB might have done a good thing for these people? Not for the right reasons, surely not, but overall a positive thing for their nation. Look, I don't like Dubya either. Didn't vote for him. Didn't support his stupid adventurous wars. But you seem to have some personal issue with the guy.

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American soldiers and Iraqi children are still dying.


People are murdered everyday. Gangland killings in NYC and LA take a daily toll too but I don't hear you screaming "anarchy" over it.

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You guys seem to forgetting that life in Iraq wasn't so bad before the first Gulf War. Their economy was good, there was little poverty, and despite Saddam's US FINANCED WAR with Iran, the people were better off. You guys can red herring yourself into little tizzies all you want, but facts are facts.

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Sava,
I would disagree with you on Iran-Iraq war, I believe the soldiers probably didn't like it nor their families and the Kurds were gassed in 1988 prior to the first gulf and we would have probably left him alone except the wingnut went into Kuwait and if we hadn't acted, Saudi was probably next, they were no match for his army at the time.

With the exception of the Bahgdad, Tirkut the rest of Iraq was pretty much poor.

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I would disagree with you on Iran-Iraq war, I believe the soldiers probably didn't like it nor their families and the Kurds were gassed in 1988 prior to the first gulf and we would have probably left him alone except the wingnut went into Kuwait and if we hadn't acted, Saudi was probably next, they were no match for his army at the time.
Are you disagreeing with the fact that the US helped finance the war with Iran? Or the need to fight Iran? IIRC, Saddam started that war.

I should clarify something, when I say life was better pre-GulfWarI, I'm referring to Iraqi's, not the Kurds or any other oppressed ethnic group. Of course Saddam was bad, evil, etc... I'm glad he's dead. But I'm not giving Bush credit for "liberating" Iraq when Reagan and his daddy was the reason he survived so long in the first PLACE!

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future postings should be about the topic, and not Saddam or the Iran/Iraq war. Or the current War... there are enough threads for that. And I will not respond to further off-topic posts

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Sava,
this is about the topic, you are trying to crush Bush with misleading facts and you are continuing it. I never denied we supported Iraq in the Iran war but Saddam at any time could have quit. Shiites or Kurds are under the Iraqi flag, so they are all Iraqi's, you can't change the facts to just fit your ideaology. You even posted "facts are facts", make sure you believe in the right ones, don't let ego interfer. Don't fall into that liberal demeanor of creating facts to fit yourself.

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He's a baby eater.

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What's misleading about fact's surrounding the Bush's previous Nazi dealings? Prescott and George Herbert Walker Bush helped the Nazis? What's misleaing about that?

Perhaps you mean "the truth hurts" :

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IIRC, Saddam started that war.
Wrong as usual.

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The Iran-Iraq War permanently altered the course of Iraqi history. It strained Iraqi political and social life, and led to severe economic dislocations. Viewed from a historical perspective, the outbreak of hostilities in 1980 was, in part, just another phase of the ancient Persian-Arab conflict that had been fueled by twentieth-century border disputes. Many observers, however, believe that Saddam Hussein's decision to invade Iran was a personal miscalculation based on ambition and a sense of vulnerability. Saddam Hussein, despite having made significant strides in forging an Iraqi nation-state, feared that Iran's new revolutionary leadership would threaten Iraq's delicate SunniShia balance and would exploit Iraq's geostrategic vulnerabilities--Iraq's minimal access to the Persian Gulf, for example. In this respect, Saddam Hussein's decision to invade Iran has historical precedent; the ancient rulers of Mesopotamia, fearing internal strife and foreign conquest, also engaged in frequent battles with the peoples of the highlands.

Saddam invaded... FACT!
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/iran-iraq.htm

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Saddam invaded... FACT!
Ruhollah Khomeini, on the other hand, was determined to extend his revolution across the Islamic world, starting with Iraq. By late 1979, Tehran was pushing the Kurdish and Shiite populations in Iraq to revolt and topple Saddam, and Iranian operatives were trying to assassinate senior Iraqi officials. Border clashes became increasingly frequent by April 1980, largely at Iran’s instigation.

Iran provoked the invasion.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/wwwboard/walts.html

 
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