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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
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Panag,
I find it odd that you ask others to stop with the "BS" by adding more yourself, and you bieng the prime propogator of it. Stop being a reactionary, and if you must react do it with some semblance of dignity and intelligence.
And as for some of you who egg him on, your one liners are less intelligent than Panag's replies, as at least he thinks he is providing details that back his argument up.
Topic is about civs in Conquests. Obvioulsy enough people want Isreal in, and we have argued why and why not to dealth in a circular arguement, so why keep going for the juggular when obviously we are not going to convince anyone one way or the other.
I say we just change the topic to the Kmer. Not enough civs in that category, big geographic gap in that area on the real world map, definetly were a power to be reckoned with in their day, prolific city builders. What do you all think?
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Sheik
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No. Your responce to it is rubbish; The French doesn't seem to aid USA anymore, do they? They were needed at the start, Israel is dependant from USA all the time.That's a big difference.
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Israel is a new nation. Just like the US once needed support Israel does. Israel does plan to be free of US aid at some time.
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Sheik
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I don't know anything about khmer either. Anyone from Khmer here?
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:29
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How about the Viking being than civilation as they did have than culture an did cross the ocean to settle in Canada, Greenland and Iceland.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by Orz
Why the existence of Israel *as a civ* is so important? Well, they are definitely/maybe (Armenia) the only old civilization left from the ancient times. And - there are the Americans. How many jews live in America and how many in Israel? Irish (Celts?) should have quite a large amount of descendants in USA also, although I (again) do not know the number... Anyway, I believe that the scientific leaders are the field where the Jews (not Israel) shine brightly, very brightly.
Considering Carthage and Celts are in the list, adding Israel does not sound unjust in spite of their geographically diffuse culture. I'd prefer to see a SE Asian civilization and Ethiopia instead of those, though, because those are surviviving and quite large, unlike the Celts, Aztecs and Iroquis - the "big losers" - and the Jews whose long history is much different.
When talking about cultures overlapping, then whole Europe and Middle east is a ever-changing ever-evolving mix of cultures, starting with the Greeks and ending with the Americans. One culture has become another. I'm not even talking about if the American civ (USA) ever WAS in ancient age! Even the English Civ is a synthesis of Greco-Roman, Celtic and Scandinavian culture!!! |
The America Indian have a culture for a long time in America and the reason they live than simple life style was that they live in peace with nature. Weather can get petty nasy in America our Harricame and Torado can do damage to builting big time. We can get than Hurricame that can have wind speed of 200 mile per hour hitting our cities in the Southern states. There is now than 6th cat of Hurricame as in the 1990's Guam got hit by than strong packing wind of 220 to 230 miles per hour with gust of up to 250 miles per hour. Plus we have many earthquate in America espicial on the West Coast. My Mother came from your country.
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Sheik
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Here is some info on Khmer I thought I would post:
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The Khmer or Angkor Civilization came into existence during the period from 802 to 1431 A.D. and stretched as far as the modern Thailand-Burma Border in the West and Wat Phou of Laos in the North during its peak.
Its emergence lies in the fact that the ancient Khmer rulers adopted a right political doctrine of its time, which enforce the unity among people. Moreover, they had developed an intelligent irrigation system to control the water of the great Mekong River for agricultures, which enhanced its prosperity. The Khmer Civilization had long been perished over 5 centuries ago, but it left outstanding monuments such as the great Khmer temples of Angkor Wat and Bayon and numerous unique sculptures like Apsara.
The word "Angkor" is derived Sanskrit, an ancient Indian language, of "Nagara" which means "City". Angkor Wat literally means "City of Temple" and Angkor Thom "The Magnificent City".
No doubts, the ancient Khmers were great masters of stone carving. As we can see today the unarguable evidences of various Angkor temples lying on the vast plain of Siemreap, or even beyond its present-day border to the Preah Vihear at Dangrek Mountain, Phnomrung and Phimai in Thailand and Wat Phu in Laos. All these were created and carefully crafts by the ancient Khmers in successive centuries. This seems to contradict with the normal and easy-going life of the local Khmer people and villagers of their time. What drive them to put such an extraordinary efforts and time will be explained in the next chapters.
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And some other information:
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Since the economy of the Khmer civilization was based mainly on agriculture, the majority of the people should have been the peasants or the farmers living in the villages. It was not clearly certain that there were any small landowners in the kingdom since most inscriptions often referred to large landowners of the elite class or of the temples.
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It was estimated by George Grosliers, a French archaeologist, that the total agricultural land of the Angkor Empire was about 70,000 hectares. Being used to cultivate crop two or three times in one year, the land was able to support the densely populated Angkor kingdom. This mastery over the water is one of the major factor for the rise of Khmer Civilization.
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So I assume they would be agricultural. What would their UU be? Maybe something to do with the Khmer Rouge?
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Orz
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Tartu, Estonia
Dec 1999
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by panag
some civ's really should get three traits instead of two , others only one , ......
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Actually I do agree with it, it makes sense with some civilizations, although I think that there should be a possible choice of taking three commercial abilities thus making a country *very* commercial, like the choices would be like:
Country 1: Scientific, Scientific, Expansionistic (UK)
Country 2: Religious, Industrious, Militaristic (Israel)
Country 3: Scientific, Scientific, Expansionistic (Russia)
...I cannot imagine a civilization with three single-type traits? Maybe the mayans could be 3xReligious.
Well, actually this is a game, anyway so it is maybe not so big a problem to choose just two. I think that UK has shined in science more than in commerce, but then they'd become too similar with Russia, I guess. I wonder what this seafaring means...
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SeferKoheleth
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It looks like Israel is going to be screwed AGAIN, as Firaxis caves into the Jew-haters in Europe and the Muslim world who can't tolerate the idea that *gasp* those damn Christ-killers still exist and *gasp* have started defending themselves rather than being good little Jews who board the trains without a problem...
If Israel isn't included, I won't buy the expansion-- just as I didn't buy PTW because Israel wasn't included. I won't give my money to cowards who cave into hatred.
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Sheik
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If Israel isn't in I would hope GhengisFarb finishes his Ben Gurion so we can mod them in.
I hope Atari is paying attention because it seems like many of us loyal civ players want Israel in the game.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by SeferKoheleth
It looks like Israel is going to be screwed AGAIN, as Firaxis caves into the Jew-haters in Europe and the Muslim world who can't tolerate the idea that *gasp* those damn Christ-killers still exist and *gasp* have started defending themselves rather than being good little Jews who board the trains without a problem...
If Israel isn't included, I won't buy the expansion-- just as I didn't buy PTW because Israel wasn't included. I won't give my money to cowards who cave into hatred. |
Have you ever think that people are tried of being called anti-semita because they criticed Israel and the action of they government. Well I criticed the America government and it prejury commitee leader also than in public too. Firaxis didnot cave in to Jew-hater in Europe and the Muslim World to leave Israel out. Some poster point out Israel wasnot than nation for a long enought period to include in the game.
Also people are getting tried of Jew cry about the 6 million who die in WW II as they where the only one who really matter or they only one who die in WW II. I estime that may-be 150,000,000 to 200,000,000 people die in world war II. We will never learn how many because records where destory in the war or people just didnot have the time to keep accurate record.
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