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Surely it's still better than the iMac's cheap keyboard and the hockey-puck mouse?  |
The Apple Pro keyboard spanks this piece of crap, ergonomically. And the puck mouse has been gone for over three years. Apple's optical mouse spanks this one.
But I'm sure that's Dell's fault, not MS's.
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Right.  |
No, honestly, I expected more. The graphics are lousy too.
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1) Did you calibrate it?
2) Bullshit -- take a screenshot (hit Print Screen on the keyboard, paste it into MS Paint, upload it here) |
Oh, so I have to calibrate it, instead of the perfectly intuitive step of turning it on. Stupid....
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IE doesn't come with popup blockers (duh). If you want those, there's hundreds of freeware programs that are painless to use. Ever heard of Google? |
Too late, I'm using Netscape now. How shitty - a browser without ad blocking.
When I post a reply the smilies board takes up the whole screen for a couple of seconds before it reduces to normal size.
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You find XP's distracting? I think that's poor word choice, OS X is the one filled with excessive blending and animation. XP's default theme is annoying condescending and tacky. |
X's colorful stuff isn't distracting. At least I never find it so. I find my eyes being consistently being drawn to the button bar, which I find annoying.
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[QUOTE] Switch to Silver or Windows Classic, or theme your own with the hundreds of free ones online. |
I might try the silver one. But no - it isn't there. But when I click more themes it takes me to MS's page where I can buy software that I suppose contains themes.
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The first time you open an MS Office application, it does some configuration with the installer. |
This is a more serious problem it gives out a 1706 error each time the program launches (although if you press "cancel" a couple of times it starts). I think this may be the tech guy's fault rather than XP's.
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What doesn't work about it?  Don't tell me you're not bright enough to figure out how to use MS Word... |
Just did.
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:29
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Originally posted by Agathon
The Apple Pro keyboard spanks this piece of crap, ergonomically. And the puck mouse has been gone for over three years. Apple's optical mouse spanks this one.
But I'm sure that's Dell's fault, not MS's. |
Quite frankly I hate Logitech.
I use an MS Intellimouse Explorer 3.0, which I adore, and an MS Nature Keyboard elite, which I also adore. Apple doesn't make anything even close to comparable.
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Oh, so I have to calibrate it, instead of the perfectly intuitive step of turning it on. Stupid.... |
Nope, you don't have to. It's one of the subtle advantages of Windows, it lets you do more if you want to. It defaults to the most-widely-used style, but there's 6 different variations that work better on different kinds of monitors. Some work better on Trinitron CRTs, other on non-Trinitron CRTs, some on LCDs, etc.
Apple doesn't let you choose -- they just take 1 variation and force it on everyone.
Here's the tuning page, check out how painful it is to use!!! http://www.microsoft.com/typography...ype/tuner/1.htm
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When I post a reply the smilies board takes up the whole screen for a couple of seconds before it reduces to normal size. |
That's because Markos didn't specify the size of the icons. Once the icons are cached it doesn't do that. It does it in Opera and Mozilla too the first time you load it...
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I might try the silver one. But no - it isn't there. |
Oh my God. 
Yes it is, look harder.
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
sorry, ag, but asher's most recent responses are dead on, with a few caveats:
dell's shipping those new logitech mice, which really suck. i use a good microsoft optical mouse, and it doesn't.
luna, the default theme, sucks. which is why a good many people i know use "classic", instead of fisher-price.
otoh, i have to agree wholeheartedly with asher on the old imac mice... which were quite possibly the worst things i've ever seen for use with a computer. |
Which is why they've been discontinued for years.
So luna sucks, the logitech mice sucks.
All I added to that is that:
Cleartype doesn't work very well (not as good as X anyway). The Help is crap. IE doesn't block pop ups. The icons are mixed and This version of Word has something wrong with it.
What's there for Asher to be right about?
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:29
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Originally posted by Agathon
My mac does that. It is just smart enough to work out what I have and do it automatically - although I can change it if I want. |
No, it doesn't. It just defaults to the single variation.
I would point you to the ClearType whitepaper as proof, but somehow I think it'd be over your head and you'd still not believe me. 
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No they don't - you can change it if you want. |
Oh really? How do I access calibration on OS X then?
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Not on my computer it doesn't. |
Are you in some kind of weird alternate dimension than everyone else?
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Nope. It must have been removed. It isn't on the list and I searched the whole machine and it only has Luna and Classic. (I searched for all the *.Theme files). |
Silver is a variation of Luna.
You know what? I take it all back -- stick to OS X, XP is obviously too difficult for you.
But let's think here for a second. What do we mean when we say "Silver"? It's a color, right? And you don't see it listed in the themes listing, right?
Hmm. Well that's odd, obviously we can draw the conclusion that it's MISSING! 
But perhaps if we had any kind of intuition whatsoever, we could check the conveniently labled "Color Scheme" combo box on that same page, right below the theme selection, which reveals our lost style -- SILVER!
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:29
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You know, you're really a pathetic individual, Asher. It isn't your duty to discount any statement made that is unfavourable to Microsoft. Letting some things slide in the future might lower your stress level and make you look like less of a tool. |
I'm pedantic when it comes to idiots and bullshit.
I'm at work right now, so I've got nothing better to do.
Agathon tells bullshit, I refute it, Drake comes in from the sidelines with an ad hominem to distract from the hilarious defeat...
At least I actually contribute something to these threads, Drake. You may disagree with it, but all you do is make random insults that aren't even funny.
Face it, Agathon's being stupid with his XP complaints. He's desperately looking for faults, when half of them are his own, and the other ones are just ridiculous or specific to Dell's configuration...
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
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I don't consider it that stable really
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I would consider it stable, however, whether you are able to utilise it, not to mention unlock it, is a completely different matter. Same could probably apply with windows, however, I used it for years before linux.
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I prefer Gnome, but it, too, is such a piece of crap that I can't properly set my mouse sensitivity
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I'm pretty sure you can, but I'll check to make sure. I do agree that gnome 2.x is less configurable than 1.4.x but most of the good stuff you can do with text files, which I have no problem with, however, you may be pleasantly (or unpleasantly depending on degree of Microserfdom) suprised with the next release of gnome and kde 3.2 is going to rule. Gotta wait for that one though 
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in Windows the window manager is the OS and runs as a kernel extension
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So if one c0cks up, so does the other.
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Well, it's your own perogative to naively trust opensource to be secure and spyware free
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Its hardly naive. The very fact that people audit it, and would expect to find spyware would have the logical conclusion that linux and OSS contains no spyware.
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Did you know MandrakeSoft collects databases of information for your exact configuration plus hardware stats if you use MandrakeUpdate?
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Which is why I dont trust the generally more buggy RPM based distros which tend to be corporations so more corruptable in terms of motivation. You will find those who use linux for security and privacy concerns steer clear of Mandy, RH and SuSE etc.
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Did you know that the equivalent function in Windows, Windows Update, doesn't collect any of the data aside from your OS version?
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The data they tell you they collect, and you'll forgive me for being cynical about the trustworthiness of a corporation that is only concerned with money and thus power. What windows update, and the updates in general do, is allow you to unwittingly download new security holes and backdoors in your software, under the guise of a functionality update or bug fix etc. Such possible civil liberties breaches are not exclusive to microsoft, any binary-only distributor is potentially prone to this, but MS has the monopoly, it has the power, and it has the money, thus it has the inclination to do so.
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So in this case, it's certainly the open source software that has the spyware over closed source
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Wow thats logical
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I didn't realize you were better than 99.9% of the programmers in the world, while at the same time forgetting what the instruction set is called on PCs
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Hardly, but I'm perfectly capable of looking at, and understanding source.
My computing teacher always called them "Intel '86's", so we always abbreviated to I86. Old habits die hard. The fact that I corrected myself later and said x86 shows that I do know what I'm on about. Frankly I find your arguments bordering on the ad hominem.
FreeBSD 4.x and 5.x is all I have experience with, although openBSD is probably the most secure OS on this rock, and netBSD probably the most consistent (due to and causing) portability.
Dont get me wrong, Linux is good, BSD is better, Windows is eye candy .
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BSD is faster and more secure. Linux is slower and less secure, but it's got the GNU license which open source pundits orgasm over, while BSD has the BSD license which is less "communist" in nature. The reason Linux is so popular is because of hype and GNU, and nothing more.
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Are you Fez?
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Look at Netcraft's record uptime statistics, every single one of the top 100 are BSD systems
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yay! You said it before I did  . BSD rocks for large servers, linux is better for smaller servers, as previously said. By the way, where is windows on the Netcraft list?
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Nvidia's drivers are binary only, and do not get configured properly for 3D on any of those systems due to legal reasons.
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Not at all there is an OSS implimentation of the nvidia driver, called nv, which is the one I use. It works absolutely fine for me!
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I've installed Mandrake 9.0 myself
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Applause. Mandrake 9.0 is over 9 months old, even 9.1 is getting old now, I recommend you use the new SuSE for now, possibly even RH (these if you are prepared to accept possible more corporate nature of those distros), as mandy 9.0 is not representative of linux today. Perhaps until you run either one of the dev kernels or 2.6 when it is released, dont take 2.4 as representative, like I said, in terms of kernel tech, its behind.
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And FYI, Linux still can't support AGP 8x even
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You got me there, but then again, thats going to be fixed in 2.6.x . I dont think 2.4.x was designed to compete with windows, it was really just an extension of 2.2 . This was why there was a moderately loud series of voices calling for this new kernel to be called 3.0.x, but its not *that* different, in terms of percentage of lines of code, its a new departure but not a different kernel per se.
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Which vendor did you use?
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PC World.
Agathon: Does mac OS make use of the commandline? I find it to be a fantastically useful feature on my *nix systems, and of course mac OS is based on *BSD.
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Don't tell me you're not bright enough to figure out how to use MS Word
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In terms of intuitiveness of an interface, its hardly a nipple!!
I can talk, I advocate the use of the commandline 
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:29
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Originally posted by elijah
So if one c0cks up, so does the other. |
Absolutely not true anymore -- if Explorer dies, it simply relaunches. You don't even lose any of your open window, they all restore to the state they were in. The only inconvenience is the 5s or so it takes to reload explorer.
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Its hardly naive. The very fact that people audit it, and would expect to find spyware would have the logical conclusion that linux and OSS contains no spyware. |
By this logic, Windows has no spyware either -- both the DOJ and governments have complete access to the sourcecode.
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The data they tell you they collect, and you'll forgive me for being cynical about the trustworthiness of a corporation that is only concerned with money and thus power. |
What's the deal, man?
Don't you know how packetsniffers work? Many people have ensured their claims are true -- and they are. It's not an issue if you trust them or not, anyone with a free packetsniffer can analyze what's being sent and confirm it themselves.
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What windows update, and the updates in general do, is allow you to unwittingly download new security holes and backdoors in your software, under the guise of a functionality update or bug fix etc. |
Whoosh.
There goes your credibility.
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Wow thats logical |
It was completely logic, why don't you tell me why you think it was illogical?
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My computing teacher always called them "Intel '86's", so we always abbreviated to I86. |
You had a computing teacher?
And he didn't know how to properly refer to the instruction set?
No wonder you're so oblivious to computer issues...
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yay! You said it before I did . BSD rocks for large servers, linux is better for smaller servers, as previously said. By the way, where is windows on the Netcraft list? |
Windows isn't on the netcraft list for a few reasons:
1) Windows 2000 and below require reboots quite often for patches (which is mostly fixed in Windows Server 2003).
2) Windows 2000 hasn't even been out as long as most of those top 100 servers have been up.
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Not at all there is an OSS implimentation of the nvidia driver, called nv, which is the one I use. It works absolutely fine for me! |
You have to be kidding me!
Have you run any 3D games with it? Neverwinter Nights? Quake III? UT2003? It doesn't exactly run them.
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In terms of intuitiveness of an interface, its hardly a nipple!! |
Are you serious? You don't find Word that intuitive to use?
How could it be any more intuitive?? You type in the part that looks like a page, you hit the BOLD button when you want bold, etc...
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I can talk, I advocate the use of the commandline |
Elitism gets you nowhere, particularly when you don't seem to understand the CLI and GUIs are both good for different things...
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:29
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I used to contribute to these threads, if you remember. I stopped contributing because I got sick of your rabid and endless response to anything I said that was pro-Mac or anti-Windows. I don't have the time to debate some Windows ad-bot, so now I just sit on the sidelines and laugh at you. Sorry if that angers you, but you're the one who drove me away in the first place. |
You stopped posting content because you got your assed owned in the debates because you didn't know what you were talking about.
Agathon is the same way.
Mac users are tolerable as long as they admit they like Macs because they just like the style of the OS and computers.
They piss me off to no end when they insist they're faster, or they're more stable, or they're more secure, or they're better in general.
They're just different. If Apple didn't rip people off and didn't blatantly lie in their marketing campaigns (instigating us vs. them mentalities), I wouldn't care less about them.
But Apple, and Apple users, have this ridiculous superiority complex about them, when their computers are anything but superior. Apple users range from fans to fanatics, with hardly anyone in between. It's like a weird cult. That's why the Apple users don't behave rationally in debates like this.
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