19-06-2003 06:02									#1
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Shes asked to consult the geeks of the internet. So I need reccomendations. I know, a mac. but which one?

	19-06-2003 06:04									#2
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Get one of the clam-shell iBooks. They don't come any better than that.

	19-06-2003 06:17									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Get one of the clam-shell iBooks. They don't come any better than that.

You can't get those hideous things any more, thank god. They looked like a toilet seat.

Don't get an ibook if you want to make movies. Get an imac, emac, or powermac unless you want a portable, in which case a powerbook.

The flat panel imacs are really good for home movie making and digital photography and all that stuff. That's probably the best bet.

Or you could wait a few weeks and get one of the new PPC 970 Power Macs when they are released. If you are made of money that is.

	19-06-2003 06:23									#4
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Your best bet is a PC. Any PC.

Case closed.

	19-06-2003 08:00									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Your best bet is a PC. Any PC.

Not for making home movies.

	19-06-2003 08:07									#6
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Ha ha! You just admited that a PC is better for everything else!! .

	19-06-2003 08:38									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ha ha! You just admited that a PC is better for everything else!! .

You need to take a logic class.

Compare:

Hitler says..

1) Nazism is the best political system.

Agathon says..

2) Not for protecting Jews.


According to your logic it follows that Nazism is better for everything else.



Well his sister can use Gates ass-rapin' multimedia software or use the integrated iapps. The latter are much easier. Or, if she's more ambitious, she could use a version of Final Cut, or she could use whatever inferior software is available for XP.

iphoto made me a digital camera wizard - did you see the cool pic of my toilet?

	19-06-2003 08:45									#8
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I can tell you from experience - the imac is good for making films. For my advanced french class we had to make a movie, and I used my imac to edit the whole damn thing, and imovie made it really painless. I added in songs, voiceovers, and arranged the scenes to how I wished them to be. Be sure to get a computer with a large hard drive, though, cause if she wants to make really long movies, those can take up ALOT of space.

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I'm astonished that, as a card-carrying gay man, Asher would stoop to being seen using such an ugly and tasteless system as XP. I'm going to write to the official gay people and ask them to revoke his membership.

I mean it's like being caught wearing beige corduroys or driving an Aztek.

	19-06-2003 08:54									#10
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I can theme XP easily, I can't theme OS X easily.

Frankly I find OS X gaudy and tacky, much like the default XP theme. Alphablending abuse should be a crime. Yes, it's nifty, but does Apple need to apply it to everything like it's a brand new toy?

BTW, what does iMovie do that Windows Movie Maker doesn't?

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quote: Originally posted by Asher I can theme XP easily, I can't theme OS X easily. Frankly I find OS X gaudy and tacky, much like the default XP theme. Alphablending abuse should be a crime. Yes, it's nifty, but does Apple need to apply it to everything like it's a brand new toy??

RIGHT! I've had enough of this bollox. You are now officially declared straight. I'll send the Ted Nugent T-Shirt in the mail.

	19-06-2003 09:00									#12
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Ted Nugent

He was cool in 1976 but is now a dork

After calling Dr. Dre's music BS

Dr. Dre is a genius

	19-06-2003 09:16									#13
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Making movies, as in doing digital edting?

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	19-06-2003 09:52									#15
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XP default theme is ugly, so I switched it to the normal Windows look. Much nicer.

XP is the best, most stable OS ever.

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quote: Not for making home movies.

MaximumPC did a test between a relatively new PC and Apple's latest flaming speedster several months back. The results were unfortunate, to say the least, for Mac fans. The Mac got trounced in every category (even got beat in image editing!!!), and the PC cost much less. Anyways, if I feel like it later I'll find the issue.

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As for your question, make sure it has a *****in' fast graphics card (I'm not so much of an expert more than to say *****in' fast) and she gets a good digital camcorder.

	19-06-2003 10:41									#17
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Its not so much a matter of hardware, but software. If PC software can do what she wants to do, then I would go with a PC. They tend to be cheaper.
Of course, you have to factor in software cost if that doesn't come with the digital camcorder.

Regardless, your main bottlenecks are harddrive space (as monolith mentioned) and amount of RAM. CPU speed is of secondary concern.

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Ted Nugent He was cool in 1976 but is now a dork After calling Dr. Dre's music BS Dr. Dre is a genius

I like Ted. In 1976 his music was good. Now he is an amusing American icon, perfectly suitable for saying crazy things on talking head shows.

	19-06-2003 18:04									#19
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What kind of movies?

	19-06-2003 18:17									#20
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Girls making movies on computers - Hmm, I think I've seen one or two of those...

	19-06-2003 18:26									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon iphoto made me a digital camera wizard - did you see the cool pic of my toilet?

O, you mean this one?

	19-06-2003 19:05									#22
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sister wanted to stay, but highway was hot.

	19-06-2003 20:42									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Its not so much a matter of hardware, but software. If PC software can do what she wants to do, then I would go with a PC. They tend to be cheaper. Of course, you have to factor in software cost if that doesn't come with the digital camcorder. Regardless, your main bottlenecks are harddrive space (as monolith mentioned) and amount of RAM. CPU speed is of secondary concern.

How very , very true.

Not a surprise to see the knee jerk reactions.

One other factor is your sister's computer literacy.

If she's OK then either a Mac or a PC (assuming the software she wants is available for both).

If she isn't, then a Mac is going to be easier to use and maintain.

If she can't afford a Mac + software then it's going to be PC no matter what.

One question that might settle the issue - is it for digital editing of real footage or for computer generated imagery like Babylon 5?

If the latter then either will do it (PC cheaper of course) - if the latter she might as well get a real graphics machine and neither a PC or Mac!

	19-06-2003 22:10									#24
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She likes to record people doing stupid stuff, much like jackass, but was doing it before jackass so shes not imitating tv, and wanted to make movies and burn them onto dvds (I was oblivious to the fact that thats possible, is it?).

is it more of a question of getting the computer for the software then?
(I dont want to unnecessarily turn her into a mac lover)

	20-06-2003 04:58									#25
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quote: is it more of a question of getting the computer for the software then?

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quote: Originally posted by Space05us is it more of a question of getting the computer for the software then? (I dont want to unnecessarily turn her into a mac lover)

The best thing to do would be to take her to a computer shop and let her play with imovie 3 and Windows Movie maker.

Whichever one she finds easier to use will be the best for her.

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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell MaximumPC did a test between a relatively new PC and Apple's latest flaming speedster several months back. The results were unfortunate, to say the least, for Mac fans. The Mac got trounced in every category (even got beat in image editing!!!), and the PC cost much less. Anyways, if I feel like it later I'll find the issue. --- As for your question, make sure it has a *****in' fast graphics card (I'm not so much of an expert more than to say *****in' fast) and she gets a good digital camcorder.

Mac has been known for their superiority in anything multimedia for sometime. Unfourtunately, its an outdated misconception. but reputations are hard to break when so many people aren aware of the specs and especially when Mac folks are advertising their old reputation as if it still holds.

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quote: Originally posted by Space05us She likes to record people doing stupid stuff, much like jackass, but was doing it before jackass so shes not imitating tv, and wanted to make movies and burn them onto dvds (I was oblivious to the fact that thats possible, is it?).

Jackass isnt the first to have done that. Ive done that waaay before and Im not even close to first to come up with such idea.

The point is many people have done it years before but no one really thought about making money out of it by airing it on mTV (cause it still is a dumb idea that somehow works)

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quote: Originally posted by Zero Mac has been known for their superiority in anything multimedia for sometime. Unfourtunately, its an outdated misconception. but reputations are hard to break when so many people aren aware of the specs and especially when Mac folks are advertising their old reputation as if it still holds.

Those results have little relevance here since they are talking about pro level stuff. Next week it may well be a different story since Apple is supposed to be radically upgrading its Powermac line.

It's the free or low cost software that needs to be compared. I don't think his sister needs something like Final Cut Pro.

	20-06-2003 06:01									#30
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Asher: MS can do no wrong right?

Flat panel IMAC would probably be a good idea. My brothers is better than my 2.8GHz box running XP at vid stuff, and even better than the linux dual boot on the same box (although that is better for all else except games).

quote: what does iMovie do that Windows Movie Maker doesn't?

It doesnt empty your bank balance through your nose.

MS Licencing: Insert Wallet into drive $, and press return to empty.

And XP is NOT the most stable OS on the planet skywalker, why does it seem to decide to reboot with no warning at inopportune moments, why does it only put 2 channel sound into my 6 point surround sound soundcard, and why does Linux work perfectly, except for running windows binaries which is improving anyway?