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Chemical Ollie
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Bored of this board
Jan 2002
time: 06:28
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I am still wondering why the police in Gothenburg did not kneecap the stone throwers on the EU top meeting June 15 2001. Or even better, use sticky paintballs to tag and identify them.
Instead they waited until they were pressed to defend a wounded colleague who had fallen and lost his helmet and fired almost blindly in chest and head level. One guy (who deserved it) was almost killed, while others (who did not deserve it) were missed by less than a meter from getting a headshot. The metal ringed from a bullet hitting a lamp post 50 cm from the head of a newspaper journalist.
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axi
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Athens Greece
Sep 1999
time: 07:28
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There is also another great protest happening these days. 19-21 June is the date of the EU Summit at Thessaloniki, Greece. About 100.000 people are expected to demonstrate this Friday at the summit site (Porto Karras, Chalkidiki) and this Saturday in the city of Thessaloniki against the EU and it's policies and also against the USA and the occupation of Iraq. There was a 20.000 people march against racism and xenophobia today.
I'm going up there tomorrow, I'm leaving with the evening train. Unfortunately I couldn't leave Athens earlier, but at least I'll be in time for the biggest demo.
All protesters feel at home in such demonstrations. As for the citizens, what's keeping them off the streets is their own hatred and fear rather than the demonstrators. They lose.
A comment about the right to occupy the streets: the same length of road which on normal occasions is occupied by 200 cars (roughly 400 people), when occupied by a marching croud, may hold a few thousands of them. Whose rights are sovereign in this case? Isn't the right of the majority? Surely these rights are much more justified than the rights of a few officials to shut down a whole city's centre for "safety reasons"?
I don't have much to say about the safety of GM foods. I don't know how grave a hazard they can be. What I know is that once a certain GM organism is unleashed into the environment, there is no turning back. So extra caution is necessary. Moreso if GM organisms are going to to be controlled by corporations, who have much less scruples about any environmental risks.
I also agree with those that say that GM organisms are a weapon of economic domination of the multinationals against traditional farmers. Because, even if the GM foods are actually totally safe, their effect will unfortunately be to send MORE people to poverty and starvation rather than the opposite. This is because that kind of competition will destroy hundrends of millions of small farmers worldwide and strip them from all means of sustaining themselves. Then they will have to sell all their land to the multinationals and go to the cities to live off industry in the best case, off crime in the worst.
This could be similar to what happened during the first industrial revolution, when industry took advantage of cheap labor from former serfs, who had been expelled from their farm, so that the feudal lords would grow sheep, which were needed by the textile industry for their wool. In order for a new economy to grow, an old economy must be destroyed. The problem nowdays is where the hell is that new economy going to come from, since all three sectors are systematically cutting jobs instead of creating them.
The world's food problem is not goin gto be solved by GM foods. The food shortage derives from the way capitalism works globally. If food productivity increases, food production won't increase, just the profits of the capitalists will. Profit balance keeps food in constant shortage to keep up the prices. On top of that the income inequalities have it so that a minority in the world wastes more and more grain to increase it's consumption of meat, thus keeping grain prices out of reach for the majority.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by skywalker
No, it doesn't.
However, the Republicans of the Civil War era were liberals, and the Democrats conservatives. In fact, the reversal of roles, which happened in the North a long time ago, happened in the South only within the last decade (in some places it's still happening). Tennessee, for example, until recently consistantly elected a Democrat for governor, despite being a conservative state, because in Tennessee the Democrats were the conservatives.
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I remember as a lad the color my Memphis grandparents' faces turned at the mere mention of the word "Republican". I remember also the warm feeling in my buttocks after saying it in the most innocuous of settings.
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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:28
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As an update to the original post NPR is reporting that the anti-GM crowd says they'll have 100,000-80,000 people protesting the Ministerial meeting next week. I'm hoping less then 10% of that number show.
Speaking of not showing; many of the agricultural Ministers from EU nations have choicen not to go to the Sacramento confrence since the EU is busy trying to figure out a way to reform the Common Agricultural policy (CAP) though Chirac is doing just about everything in his power to prevent it. France is the biggest reciever of agriculutural subsidies under CAP so he doesn't want to mess up the Brussel's gravey train.
Still Ministers from 70 countries are going to be attending and this meeting is supposed to hammer out which agricultural policies will be written into the next round of GATT.
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Those are the same bastards who cursed at me downtown when they saw my base pass.
Bring forth the Holy Handgrenades on the protestors! |
The must have been out of towners because San Diego is a VERY pro-military town. I mean 20% of all US forces in Iraq are based out of San Diego and there's something like 150,000 active duty personnel in the city.
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20-06-2003 00:54
.. but have it as you will 
Later this week Agricultural Ministers from around the world will be converging on California's capital city of Sacramento in order to take part in an international conference on crops & agricultural technology. Sounds like rather boring and run of the mill sort of stuff doesn't it?
Does this mean upon eating my 100th meal, I drop dead?!?
At three squares a day, that only gives me a life expectancy of about one month!! 
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