20-06-2003 04:09									#1
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Sorry I didn't get this posted last night. Poly was as slow as... as... as a snail in an even slower situation, and I couldn't get a post through.

This an unofficial poll to determine what civs you'd favor attacking. I figure we have time for a runoff, maybe even two.

	20-06-2003 04:27									#2
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Ah - Iroquois.

The Ottoman are neutralized - and we can seal off the eastern corrider quite easily. Also - the eastern corrider is a mixture of civs, so I do not see any concentrated threat.

The Iroquois on the other hand have a lot of territory - and soon may have a lot of mounted warriors.

Let's hit them first.

	20-06-2003 04:58									#3
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We cannot let the Iroqouis get Mounted Warriors and attack us first. So lets get em fast.

	20-06-2003 05:02									#4
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HEY!!!!

It's not multiple choice.

KILL THEM ALLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	20-06-2003 05:04									#5
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*claps*

	20-06-2003 05:47									#6
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The Ottomans no longer pose a threat to us, and we can finish them off at a time of our choosing.

I don't believe the Eastern Corridor civs are too much of a threat to us right now - they have each other to contend with.

The Iroquois pose the greatest current threat, especially with the threat of Mounted Warriors coming soon.

Get The Iroquois!

	20-06-2003 08:14									#7
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx HEY!!!! It's not multiple choice. KILL THEM ALLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To clarify: I only intended this poll to determine our first new target out of the many to come.

Edit: On the debate (which seems rather one-sided so far), I would like to raise a point: the Iroquois don't have Horses in their territory, so they won't get as much as chariots until a) someone has two Horse sources and b) the Iroquois get a trade connection with them.

Granted, they will then be a danger, and they do already have iron. But if we hit the Zulu a little first, we could Horses; the very first Zulu city by our borders has horses (forgot the name), so we would only need to take one city to gain the other ancient age resource.

	20-06-2003 15:41									#8
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Zulus maybe a good idea. The Ironquis aren't going anywhere and their land is very poor. Would we really gain that much from attacking them.

	20-06-2003 18:58									#9
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My humble opinion would be to attempt to ally with the Iriquois and take on both the Zulu AND the isolated Celtic cities.

	20-06-2003 18:58									#10
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The Zulus have nicer land, but it's a bit far off as well. The Iroqs would give us peace of mind in our own "bulge" of the continent, and we would get Furs. Then we could use them and the Ottos as Leader farms ( ) whilst we move on to the Zulus......

Besides, if there ever was a civ tailor made for us to sharpen those swords on it is the Iroqs - no Horses we know of (certainly none connected), some decent land but a large portion of their empire so crap they won't have much of a defence. Perfect for some practice.

	20-06-2003 19:27									#11
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Then we could use them and the Ottos as Leader farms

Now were talking thats the kind of AI exploitation we need.

If we could leave them with a few cities each on the poorest land we could be getting at least 1 elite victory each turn from otherwise useless terrain. Although this would have to affect the discussion regarding govs.

	20-06-2003 21:04									#12
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Iroc - they are better whipping boys for now.

	20-06-2003 22:34									#13
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Hit 'em before they're strong. That's the way I'd go.

	21-06-2003 01:27									#14
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I prefer fighting one AI at a time myself.

Against the Zulu, time is really on our side; they spend very little effort building even in good quality land and become easier to take on as time passes.

Also with Celt cities in the Zulu corridor, perhaps we should sit back and wait for them to go to war with each other before intervening.

In the mean time, I'd recomend some pruning of the Irq.

	21-06-2003 21:08									#15
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hi ,

get them iro's before they have them indians on horses charging us , .....

have a nice day

	21-06-2003 21:52									#16
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Kill them all. It's your land anyway, their just a bunch of filthy squatters.

	21-06-2003 22:28									#17
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Kill them all. It's your land anyway, their just a bunch of filthy squatters.

Exactly. The whole world is our land. We just haven't finished settling it yet.

	23-06-2003 12:06									#18
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Why is this poll closed already?

	23-06-2003 18:36									#19
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Well, it was up for three days, and there was a link to it in the Directory the whole time...

I voted in it..... If you missed it I don't know what more could have been done.

	23-06-2003 18:39									#20
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Yes, I missed it. I was away for the weekend...

This is not a matter of "now or never", is it? Better let those kind of polls run for a slightly longer time, esp. when it opens at the beginning of a weekend.

+1 to exterminating the Ottomans, then.

	23-06-2003 18:44									#21
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hi ,

ones more something comes up , what about sending a PM or email when there is a poll , .....

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	23-06-2003 19:01									#22
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I don't understand, panag. You want me to send a PM to the creator of the poll, or vice versa?

	23-06-2003 19:16									#23
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster I don't understand, panag. You want me to send a PM to the creator of the poll, or vice versa?

hi ,

no just a pm or email to each member when there is a poll or so , .......

have a nice day

	24-06-2003 05:10									#24
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , no just a pm or email to each member when there is a poll or so , ....... have a nice day

There are about 240 people with the civgroup icon, and assuming someone went and put all of them in their buddy list, that still only allows up to 5 people to receive PM's at a time.... sorry, I just don't see that as realistic.

I am having a good day. Thanks. How is yours?

	24-06-2003 08:10									#25
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing There are about 240 people with the civgroup icon, and assuming someone went and put all of them in their buddy list, that still only allows up to 5 people to receive PM's at a time.... sorry, I just don't see that as realistic. I am having a good day. Thanks. How is yours?

I'm with GodKing on this one. If you are a member of the democracy game civ group - and do not check in on the forum during a three day period - well, then, I'm sorry - you missed the poll. Maybe at least try cruising through every second day at least.

There are still polls regarding the next city site and the FAM's recommendations on tech trading.

Hey - - get involved!!!!!! This is an interesting and far-from-being-over game!

And btw - just to be clear - the onus is on you - not us - to keep you involved.

	24-06-2003 08:46									#26
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I've got to agree with GK and Beta on this. They can't spend the time to PM 240 people if those 240 people don't want to spend the time checking the forum.

We're in the civgroups because we want to be, not because we have to be (ooh, another nice cliche ).

	24-06-2003 11:42									#27
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The point is: let the poll run a little longer if we can afford to.

	24-06-2003 23:56									#28
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster The point is: let the poll run a little longer if we can afford to.

Sorry you missed it; but it was just a preliminary poll.

Looks pretty decisive, though. Time to head north...

dejon, what timetable are you planning for the Iroquois war? We should do a second yes/no poll.

	25-06-2003 00:52									#29
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Me and GK decided to PM some of the people who had signed up but hadn't participated, around the start of this term. Not one of them has posted here since and barely half of them read the PM.

	25-06-2003 13:24									#30
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing There are about 240 people with the civgroup icon, and assuming someone went and put all of them in their buddy list, that still only allows up to 5 people to receive PM's at a time.... sorry, I just don't see that as realistic. I am having a good day. Thanks. How is yours?

hi ,

a marvelous day with loads of work , .....

something like your typical days , .....


okay , now , we could ask one of the owners to let one or two people to be able to send PM's to all of those 240 at one time , ......

or we could make sure that the poll's are topped for three days , ......

have a nice day