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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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USSRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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Nope. WW2 and evacuation of Soviet industry provided a lot of workplaces and turned my home town into one of the biggest industrial centers of Siberia and entire country.
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Kidicious
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Diety of Kidiverse
Mar 2003
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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Like how do these firms deal with productivity gains. What happens when a firm has to lay people off? |
These two don't follow. Firms don't have to lay off people after productivity gains, especially since they are making more money from the increase in productivity. |
Imran, do you have any idea about what has been going on in the economy, especially in the last 30 to 40 years? Productivity gains and downsizing go hand in hand.
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Odin
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Biology Nerd at Minnesota State University Moorhead
Sep 2000
time: 23:29
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Originally posted by Kidicious
Odin,
Maybe you could explain the obvious problems with this. Like how do these firms deal with productivity gains. What happens when a firm has to lay people off? What do the unemployed do? |
People can take time off to prevent the prices from droping, when a firm has to lay off people they are just laid off and get money from unemployment resorces in the government. they get no profit money, but they are still a voting member of the business unless they find a new job. There are few kinks to get out of it, but I am taking Economics for the next school year, so that should help me iron out the problems. Finnally, only the luxury goods (jewelry, PC games, sports equiptment, DVDs, etc.) are owned by co-ops, the nessisary things (food, constuction, healthcare, insurance, higher education, pure research, applied research, utillities, energy, fuel, etc.) are controled by the state. Let luxuries be dictated by the market, but the nesessities are communal.
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The Vagabond
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of realpolitik and counterpropaganda
Jan 1970
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
In the West, #1 isn't a problem. We already have large working classes and enough economic development to provide an excellent standard of living for all.
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As production is moved to China, there remains less and less working class in the classical sense, and more and more white-collar workers. The latter can hardly be considered as a revolutionary element.
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#2 requires that we revolutionaries educate the hell out of ourselves, and not simply from revolutionary sources.
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To properly work, the system needs to be stable enough with respect to possible deviations from ideality. However, what you say implies a high degree of ideality (you can't seriously expect that people will always educate the hell out of themselves), which makes the system unstable and unreliable.
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#3 There's no way around this. We're gonna be messed with, if not by our own military, then by everyone else who has an interest in crushing the revolution and/or kicking the US while it's down.
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Just because you are going to be messed with, your economy needs to be more competitive. Otherwise you'll lose. But there is no evidence you can have a more competitive (at least in some essential respects) economy.
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#4 This is an interesting factor. People have the capacity to change and educate themselves very rapidly. During periods of social upheaval, the demand to understand the world is very strong, and peple readily devour information. Unfortunately, most sources of information in the US are in the hands of people who stand the most to lose by revolution.
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During periods of social upheaval, yes. But the system needs to keep functioning properly in more "normal" times, when people largely lose interest in politics.
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This is based on a misunderstand both of Marx and of human nature. Human self-interest doesn't necessarily mean selfishness. Altruism can be self-interested. When an entire community gathers to strengthen the dikes around a flooding river, that's both altruism and self-interest.
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As they say, hope for the best, but prepare for the worst (or something like that  ). Sure, altruism is innate to human behavior, but so is selfishness. You can't entirely rely on the former and be unprepared for the latter.
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21-06-2003 09:43
Sorry then.
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