21-06-2003 10:05									#61
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That might be a stretch, true, but what is really sad is people who derive pleasure from deriding other people about their joys.

No, not sad... pathetic.

	21-06-2003 10:07									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Who knows, in 50 to 100 years, you snobs might have to eat your words as Rowling ascends the pantheon of novelists .

Given the decline of adult literacy status, that is certainly very probable.

	21-06-2003 10:08									#63
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what's so wrong with harry potter? it's innocent entertainment, and it's not for everyone.

	21-06-2003 10:09									#64
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quote: what is really sad is people who derive pleasure from deriding other people about their joys. No, not sad... pathetic.

And this is why 'elitist' and 'snob' have negative connotations .

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT That might be a stretch, true, but what is really sad is people who derive pleasure from deriding other people about their joys. No, not sad... pathetic.

Who is deriving said pleasure?

	21-06-2003 10:16									#66
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Have you not read this thread? Or even the OP?

	21-06-2003 10:30									#67
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Gandalf is a Maiar servant of the secret fire, and has access to knowledge and powers from before the creation of the world.

Dumbledore is an aging hippy burn-out with a SERIOUS God-the-Father complex.

	21-06-2003 10:44									#68
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Maiar's Bakery makes great sticky buns.

	21-06-2003 10:54									#69
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I dont know enough about harry potter to hate. All I know is that he's pretty popular even among adults.

	21-06-2003 10:58									#70
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"I agree that it is a sad commentary of the society that adults read these books."

I've read Conrad's Youth, Hemingway's Old Man of the Sea, Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, etc, etc. Are you telling me that because I enjoyed said books I should not enjoy Harry Potter???

"No such parallel exists in any of the Potter books."
Glad to know you've read them. Tell me, do you agree with me that Ravenclaw is an overlooked aspect of the series???

Fück y'all. harry potter is the best.

And don't blame this on being macheads. I'm a huge mac zealot, AND a huge harry potter fan... arguably the biggest on this board. I only wish I had been here sooner to deny this ignoramus' remarks.

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	21-06-2003 13:21									#71
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Have you not read this thread? Or even the OP?

Sure did. It seems nobody got off by dissing Harry Potter. YMMV.

	21-06-2003 13:27									#72
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 "I agree that it is a sad commentary of the society that adults read these books." I've read Conrad's Youth, Hemingway's Old Man of the Sea, Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, etc, etc. Are you telling me that because I enjoyed said books I should not enjoy Harry Potter???

Oh, that's not what I said. Even as entertainment goes, there are other more meaningful, thought provoking choices available.

quote: Originally posted by monolith94 "No such parallel exists in any of the Potter books." Glad to know you've read them. Tell me, do you agree with me that Ravenclaw is an overlooked aspect of the series???

I don't see how you can draw a parallel of that to Twain's commentary on the society as a whole in Huck Finn Perhaps you could enlighten me?

quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Fück y'all. harry potter is to blame.

You're looking for a banning, eh?

	21-06-2003 13:49									#73
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quote: Who knows, in 50 to 100 years, you snobs might have to eat your words as Rowling ascends the pantheon of novelists

This is going to be a very very long climb.


Oh wait, I don't read books.

	21-06-2003 13:56									#74
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I've read the first four Harry Potter books, and they don't have too much going for them. They're not especially interesting and they're not even particularly well written.

I'm not going to read the rest.

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Harry Potter is so boring that you could only read the first four books?

	21-06-2003 15:55									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Sure did. It seems nobody got off by dissing Harry Potter. YMMV.

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6 : style or manner of expression in speaking or writing "seemed wise to adopt a conciliatory tone"

You don't see the joy that Agathon gets from being "superior" in his reading material?

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Just a load of populist neo-bourgeous crap.

I boycott all harry potter books/films/toys etc

Join la resistance!

	21-06-2003 18:42									#78
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Harry Potter is so boring that you could only read the first four books?

That's nothing. I got to book 8 of Robert Jordan's turgid Wheel of Time series. I knew the first book wasn't nearly as good as the fanboys had told me, but I kept reading because they said "It gets so much better!" Not only did it not get better, it got so very, very much worse. I now consign those books to the gutter of fantasy writing and name Jordan the biggest literary fraud of the genre.

	21-06-2003 19:02									#79
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I don't mind the book, hey if you're having fun with it .

I DO mind the hype surrounding it , I don't need to see an interview/book-store riot every ffing day on the news.

	21-06-2003 20:26									#80
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Robert Jordan's not THAT bad.

"I don't see how you can draw a parallel of that to Twain's commentary on the society as a whole in Huck Finn Perhaps you could enlighten me?"

Could Rowling's subtle lack of commentary on Ravenclaw be a subtle commentary on the stealth mode the intellectual class seems to be suffering right now? I think so.

	21-06-2003 20:34									#81
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Yeah, but what's so special about HP?

I mean, Agathon hates anything and everything anyway.

I reckon Agathon's just jealous of anyone successful.

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Harry Potter is so boring that you could only read the first four books?

Man, I heard this one's almost 900 pages, too . I like to read some hefty tomes, but more of crap is still crap.

I don't get it.....

	21-06-2003 22:29									#83
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Robert Jordan's not THAT bad.

Yes, he IS. The first book of the series was mediocre. Not bad, but lord it wasn't that good. His characters are so one-dimensional and stiff it's appalling. The fact that I can easily predict what each character will do any every (hackneyed) situation he throws them in is telling (invariably, they will do such stupid, senseless things that Jordan has to invoke deus ex machinas to extract them). They are cardboard.

The story wasn't even original, as anyone who has read Tolkien could tell you. While most fantasy is derivative of Tolkien, Jordan actually ripped of the plot.

The subsequent books got worse and worse as it became clear he was just making up the story as his porcine little fingers typed. I could take all the events that have happened in the 5000+ pages of books 2 through 8 and condense them into a novella. He spends ages going NOWHERE, his characters doing NOTHING except mentally masturbating in a pretense at profundity that is so obviously shallow that Danielle Steele would find it banal.

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I'm of the opinion that Jordan doesn't exist, that "he" is really some bizarre book-writing committee where everybody is assigned a section and given a month to flesh out a basic plot outline. How else can he keep pumping out 900 pages of crap so fast?

	21-06-2003 22:36									#85
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I am inclined to agree.

Actually, I think he's just a fatass who sits at his computer and makes up stuff as he goes because he really has nothing important to say. The fact that nothing happens for massive stretches at a time supports this, since one doesn't have to plan out 100s of pages of nothingness.

	21-06-2003 23:05									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Yeah, but what's so special about HP?

He's a **** sucking piece of **** with no ******* ****.

quote: I mean, Agathon hates anything and everything anyway.

At last someone gets it. Give me a T...

quote: I reckon Agathon's just jealous of anyone successful.

No, I just nurture an intense dislike of the whole Harry Potter phenom. It has nothing to do with elitism either. I'd still hate him even if I only read comics.

If you like Harry, then that's your problem. But what's wrong with me calling it as I see it. Nobody is preventing you from disagreeing.

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Thanks for the sig material Boris.

	21-06-2003 23:09									#88
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Welcome, but spell my goddamned name right!

	21-06-2003 23:12									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I could write better. But then again the vast majority of people wouldn't know real literature if it bit them in the ass. And it's all capitalism's fault.

You are blaming capitalism for the fact that your writing is unfit for publication and sends most people to sleep?

If you think you can write that good... those that can, do.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Welcome, but spell my goddamned name right!

Doh.