21-06-2003 09:04									#1
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It's that time again, time for nominations, the new term begins on July 1st and runs until July 31st, or 30th, whichever is the last day of the month Nominations end in 5 days.


Nominated:

President
shade?
123John321

Minister of War
Hydey

City planner
STYOM/Obiwan (Vacation Trading)

Foriegn Minister
H Tower
MrWhereItsAt

Science Minister
Sparrowhawk

Historian?

Last edited by H Tower on 25-06-2003 at 22:32

	21-06-2003 16:46									#2
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* Hydey would like to continue

I feel I have done a reasonable job as Minister of war and would like the opportunatey to continue for another month.

Our armies morale is very high following our mighty victory over the Japanese at Kyoto.

	21-06-2003 18:27									#3
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Maybe as Foriegn Minister, I don't know yet.

	22-06-2003 01:33									#4
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I'm moving back home at the end of the month for the rest of the summer.

I don't think I'll run again next term, give someone else a chance.

Sorry sparrowhawk, but I appreciate your support.

	22-06-2003 20:19									#5
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I believe I will step down from public office next term.

	22-06-2003 22:46									#6
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I'll throw my hat back in the ring for Foriegn Minister again, this time I might actually do something worthwhile

	23-06-2003 00:02									#7
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* Sparrowhawk nominates Atawa for President

Having been impressed with the level of technological advancement in the most recent term (mainly through huts, but who cares how it came about) I think the most logical choice for President is Atawa, our current Minister of Science.

Further, acting upon Atawa's suggestion that I run for office, I am submitting my name for the position of Science Minister.

Though we may not increase in many technologies over the next term, I promise as Science Minister that before the end of my term, that I will increase the rate at which we are discovering new techs through research.

* Sparrowhawk citizen

	23-06-2003 00:47									#8
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SparrowHawk - whatever position you are elected to, I hope you will also remain as our "Geographer of the Known World"

	23-06-2003 04:08									#9
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I hope war4ever & STYOM put there hands up this month.

	23-06-2003 04:22									#10
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I agree Hydey; it's time to see other Citizens step up and provide fresh leadership. Sparrowhawk, War4Ever, and STYOM should take their turns at the helm. They have given good advice and can obviously handle the challenges.

We have had the same people month after month and it is time for that to change.

I want to see what the other citizens will do!

	23-06-2003 08:52									#11
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear SparrowHawk - whatever position you are elected to, I hope you will also remain as our "Geographer of the Known World"

I beleive that I have gained an appreciation as a citizen of the "desire for information" which is only available to the President and the Ministers. I have posted in a number of threads requests for more information (screen shots). As a result, should I be elected to the position of Science Minister, I pledge to provide all science related screen shots after every turn sequence, in an attempt to provide the citizens with all available information which in turn will enable them to provide me with informed decisions.

In addition to Science related screen shots, of course I would happily continue to provide a map of the known world.

Further, I would propose to the new regime that changes be made in the duties of each Minister, indicating what screenshots need to be posted by each Minister, and also what needs to be provided by the President. This way, the citizens know where to look for information on each turn, and Ministers get used to providing the same information, and the President can provide those screenshots on his/her list (lessening the job of the President), and any additional screenshots which may be of interest to the populace.

Of course, any minister could also provide additional screenshots which they feel would be of interest to the citizens, the list would only include the required screen shots.

* Sparrowhawk apologizes for campaigning before nominations have closed Feel free to criticize my enthusiasm

	23-06-2003 09:02									#12
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So, who is going to step up and serve as President? We do sort of need someone to do that, after all...

There are participants who have not done the job before who could do it, there are some who have done it before who can do it again.

It will be interesting to see what brave citizen decides to meet the challenge... I'm kind of inclined to support a new name....

	23-06-2003 09:06									#13
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quote: in an attempt to provide the citizens with all available information which in turn will enable them to provide me with informed decisions.

Why not take my job?

	23-06-2003 14:19									#14
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear So, who is going to step up and serve as President? We do sort of need someone to do that, after all...

This humble citizen is interested...that is if he can get the support of the majority of the ppl(or just the millitary )

Shade

	23-06-2003 15:24									#15
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quote: Originally posted by shade This humble citizen is interested...that is if he can get the support of the majority of the ppl(or just the millitary )

If I am re-elected Minister of War I would give you my support as long as you help keep the army happy with war war and more war.

	23-06-2003 19:15									#16
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* Six Thousand Year Old Man muses...

I'd like to run for President, ideally. The difficulty is that I'm on vacation for 2 weeks in July. While a V-P could play the turns in that period, it doesn't make sense to apply for a job and then disappear for half the turns.

I see shade is interested in the Presidency, anyway. So, I'll throw my hat into the ring for the city-planner role (and push my proposal to get cities to size 5 and Xin them). Just bear in mind that I'll be MI (hopefully ) A for the 2nd and 3rd week of July; someone else will need to step in.

	23-06-2003 22:08									#17
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quote: So, I'll throw my hat into the ring for the city-planner role (and push my proposal to get cities to size 5 and Xin them).

Well, I could fill in for that time, since by then I should be settled, but I'll have to wait and see.

	23-06-2003 23:11									#18
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Could you update the list, HTower?

BB

	24-06-2003 02:09									#19
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quote: * Sparrowhawk nominates Atawa for President

Thanks for the vote of confidence

But after thinking about it I think this is not the time to step up to the post.

My personal life is kinda hectic right now and I cannot commit to this responsibility at the moment.

I'm going to sit back for at least a month and enjoy the life as an Apolytonian citizen.

I would support Shade if he would run for president

	24-06-2003 08:24									#20
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* Sparrowhawk is concerned about the future of our "democracy"

I beleive the basis of a democratic system is allowing every person one vote, and the knowledge that by making use of that vote that an individual can have an effect upon the future of the organization they are voting on (in this case our Kingdom).

Unfortunately, this system requires that there be options to vote for and choose between. It seems that so far this month, as it was last month, there will only be one person running for each of the available positions. I beleive that should our "democracy" continue in this way, that it will lead to anarchy, and rather then one person, one vote, we will be in a situation where there are no options, and our vote is without meaning.

Not wanting to point out a problem, without a solution, I propose 3 solutions, for all of the citizens, ministers, and President to work together to help resolve this problem.
1) Increase the number of citizens, and with it, the number of votes, and hopefully the number of participants running in the monthly elections.
2) Encourage our current citizens to run for office. Perhaps more importantly, not discouraging anyone from running for office (and while I don't think this happens, it easily could).
3) Simplify the jobs of current positions and clarify responsibilities. If anyone is reluctant to commit to the position becuase of time constraints, is there not some way to ease the load so to speak. For instance I have suggested that duties be clarified and split up, to keep from overburdening any one position, and also to keep anyone from duplicating what has already been done.

Any further thoughts on this. I am still new to this concept, and perhaps am overstating this as a problem, but I would be very encouraged if we were able to get at least 2 people running for every office.

Respectively submitted,
Sparrowhawk
Citizen

Note: Excuse the seriousness of the post, I am actually enjoying this game, and can get caught up in "role playing". Hopefully this "game" doesn't get a serious as I make the above sound. As I think Hydey recently put it "You often make me laugh, as do many others on this site, which is why I keep coming back" (paraphrasing, but I quite agree)

	24-06-2003 08:44									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk 1) Increase the number of citizens, and with it, the number of votes, and hopefully the number of participants running in the monthly elections. 2) Encourage our current citizens to run for office. Perhaps more importantly, not discouraging anyone from running for office (and while I don't think this happens, it easily could). 3) Simplify the jobs of current positions and clarify responsibilities. If anyone is reluctant to commit to the position becuase of time constraints, is there not some way to ease the load so to speak. For instance I have suggested that duties be clarified and split up, to keep from overburdening any one position, and also to keep anyone from duplicating what has already been done.

Well, my thoughts...
1) - there's no limit on the number of citizens, AFAIK. Anyone who wants to be a citizen, is a citizen. Even people who aren't citizens can't be prevented from voting in the polls, anyway.

2) - I can only think of one person who was discouraged from running. But then, I came in late to Demo #2 and missed Demo #1 entirely. I think we have few candidates because we have a lot of positions, some of which overlap (e.g. city planner, science, and trade minister tend to have a lot of common interests) and not enough people who want to do the work (or have the time to).

3) - I'm quite happy formulating policy, making polls, debating which strategy is best, etc. I'm not a screenshot expert. Maybe we need deputy ministers?

	24-06-2003 09:21									#22
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Is it agreable to STYOM and Obiwan18 to be put together on the ballot to reflect they'd be sharing the position, trading off when the other is out of town?


STYOM: your point #2, we don't have a trade minister anymore since we aren't using camels. As for #3, I've usually filled that capacity, but i've been super busy lately, now that I'm home and working. I'm rarely at my computer anymore with time for screenshot projects

	24-06-2003 10:17									#23
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower Is it agreable to STYOM and Obiwan18 to be put together on the ballot to reflect they'd be sharing the position, trading off when the other is out of town?

Fine by me... Put both our names on the ballot (if obiwan concurs) - the second place finisher suffers the indignity of being the deputy minister! Unless the banana wins.

As to your other point - true about there being no trade minister - but in previous games, there was overlap between trade/science/cityplan. And in this game, the city planner and the war minister have overlap: the war minister's units abroad impinge on the cityplanners production capabilities, in a sense, and in turn, the cityplanner controls the flow of new units to the frontlines. So overlap is inevitable. And that makes the role of the minister more complicated - sometimes you can't do what's needed, simply because you haven't got the authority.

	24-06-2003 11:54									#24
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quote: Fine by me... Put both our names on the ballot (if obiwan concurs) - the second place finisher suffers the indignity of being the deputy minister!

Naw, I don't mind being the deputy, if STYOM will be the sheriff....

	24-06-2003 23:31									#25
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After thinking about it, I'll run for Presaidnt again!

	25-06-2003 00:37									#26
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quote: Originally posted by 123john321 After thinking about it, I'll run for Presaidnt again!

Thanks, I needed that

	25-06-2003 03:35									#27
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quote: Originally posted by 123john321 After thinking about it, I'll run for Presaidnt again!

well done John
The more people willing to run for possitions the better.

where has War4ever gone, he did say he would look at running for something this time around.

	25-06-2003 10:03									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey where has War4ever gone, he did say he would look at running for something this time around.

probably hiding until the elections begin

He even posted in a different forum 2 minutes ago

	25-06-2003 11:09									#29
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* MrWhereItsAt was inspired by Sparrowhawk's post, especially since he can remember giving a similar speech frequently in the Civ3DG

Hang it all. Put me down for, oh, Foreign Minister or something.

I don't have a lot of time but I could do this job if elected.

	25-06-2003 15:54									#30
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yes yes yes, more nominations are good ,good,good.