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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Frankly I think it'd a smashing idea if the entire idea of a 'Jewish state' or 'Muslim state' or 'Christian state', etc. were relegated to the ashheap of history. We've had enough religious intolerance in our history, do we really need anymore? |
I think it would be great if a Jewish state wasn't necessary, but it's precisely because religious intolerance does exist, that it is a necessity.
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Edan
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Bullshit. Holocaust guilt only goes so far. |
It's not about holocaust guilt - the state was well on it's way to being formed before the Holocaust ever happened. It's about a people empowering themselves to prevent such incidents as the holocaust and the millenia of oppression, massacres and pogroms they've had to endure, and who helped rescue those that were still enduring the like in places like Ethiopia, the Soviet Union, Iraq, Egypt and so on.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:29
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Edan, thats terrible reasoning.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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Generally banning violence when others have no way to defend themselves but through vioöent action, is basically wrong. I know that especialyl those who just enjoy to get on other people's nerves with non-violent action, talk about mental aggression, are the first to cry out anti-physical-violence paroles because they know it's all they have to fear.
I find it perfectly OK to kick someone's arse when telling him to shut up doesn't suffice to make him do.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
If the Israel settlements are illegal since they were taken by war then why don't you also consider half of Poland to be one Giant illegal settlement or nearly all of Russia or China or Turkey or every country in the new world or Australia or New Zealand or just about every single country on Earth? It seems very hypocritical to condemn one but let the other 100 just slide by. Is there some reason you are so eager to have to rules inforced for just one country while all the others walk free? |
I´d call them illegal because the United Nations do it, not just because they are taken by war.
And many/most of the settlements are even illegal by israel law (which AFAIK doesn´t matter much, cos if they become more permanent structures [with houses instead of caravans] they would regardless be guarded by the israel Army instead of being expelled)
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:29
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arent you gettig a frew billion in aid? what is it, 4 billion? that buys a lot of perdy tanks.
and you cant ignore that a lot of what america does in the gulf is in the intrests of isreal.
if we just threw our hands up and said "screw you isreal, have fun", you'd be gone inside of a year.
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Typical American arrogance. we did great for some 20 years before you started to help us.
The help you give us is military, in other words, you find a cute way to subsidize all those defence contractors. And by paying us this 2.5 billion dollars USD, which are all returned to the US economy, and are a drop in a well for the US, you have a country completely at your service, the strongest country in the middle east.
That money, is btw, around 2 percent of our GDP.
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I do not claim that Israel is dependant on U.S. support,but that we underwrite Israeli security since they are a ally.Israel will have the best weaponry we can supply even in cases where we do not agree on how it is used.If this supply were given to the Arabs instead ( or aswell )what would the consequence be to Israel per se if given a" Jew toublemaker "attitude in the US? versus Who would benefit?
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Americans are already selling Arms to Arab states, some of them are potential Israeli adversaries, and the chances of those weapons attacking Israel exist. E.g. Egypt, the Gulf states.
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1) Israel is simultaneously hit with tactical nuclear weapons and Arab RDF with in 20yrs
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 If Israel is hit with TBMs, the middle east will be a very large crater, with all the states from Morroco to Pakistan going down with us.
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2)Arab Caliphate(our wealthy oil suppliers)purchases advanced |
weaponry and uses it on Israel with out fear of retaliatiion.
How? magic?
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Heresson
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of frogs
Jun 2000
time: 06:29
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Originally posted by Oerdin
If the Israel settlements are illegal since they were taken by war then why don't you also consider half of Poland to be one Giant illegal settlement or nearly all of Russia or China or Turkey or every country in the new world or Australia or New Zealand or just about every single country on Earth? It seems very hypocritical to condemn one but let the other 100 just slide by. Is there some reason you are so eager to have to rules inforced for just one country while all the others walk free? |
That's not a wise post. The international laws, as any other, do not affect the past; They may deal with Israel
case, but not with H.Cortez.
And Poland didn't take Silesia and western Pomerania because it attacked germany and took it, but it was given it in exchange for much bigger grounds in the east taken by USSR.
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Polish President Aleksander Kwaeniewski last year publicly acknowledged “the full, sometimes bitter truth” that Polish citizens, not the German occupation forces, were primarily responsible for the massacre of 1600 Jews in the Polish town of Jedwabne in July 1941. After Polish émigré historian Jan Tomasz Gross exposed the Poles’ role, the Polish government’s Institute of National Memory investigated the matter and Poland’s leaders finally admitted that the traditional claim of “we didn’t do it” was false.
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there's a mistake. tradition 1600 victims number was proven to be false. The number of victims is about 300.
When it comes to the role, Germans were the ones to start the thing, but that some Poles participated, only that was proven - and in fact it didn't have to be proven, as results of trial in the fifties have already shown that.
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:29
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Originally posted by Boddington's
How much aid are you receiving Azazel? Could you do without it... |
hi ,
how much technology goes out of Israel , ......
the key technology for the JDAMs comes from Israel , so does the tech from our arrow , ......
countless inovations in the medical field , etc , .......
who buys in the us , who spends his money there , ......
how much of that aid can only be used inside the us to buy from us firms , ..... therefore the money stays right where it is and generates jobs inside the us of a , .....
have a nice day
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