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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:29
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Or knowing chegitz can be hazardous to your helath
So they just caught a serial killer here in Jax last week. Turns out, he was a cab driver. Turns out, he looks a lot like a creepy cab driver Bunnygrrl and I used once. 
Too many serial killers are too close to my life.
When I was in high school, serial killer Brian Dugan hid one of his victims in my friends' cars. He had dumped the car in the Seavy gravel pits, where a lot of high school kids used go party. Dugan put the nurses body in his car, drove past my house out to the pits, put his body in the abandoned car, and pushed it into a pond. Dugan was later convicted of killing (IIRC) Melissa Ackerman and confessed under hypnosis to killing Jenine Nicarico, both children. He's a lifer in Illinois.
In the late 80s, an Army buddy of mine had another Army friend over who was stationed in Germany. Later my Army buddy got called to Germany to be a witness in a trial. Turns out his friend had confessed to two murders, one a fellow serviceman, to see if he could actually kill, the other a German prostitute, because apparently he could kill. My buddy didn't believe the guy when he tols him about it. The dude was really quiet and creepy when I met him.
One person I met was killed by Jeffery Dahmer. He was the son of the owner of a coffee shop where I once frequented and my roommate was the manager. Even weirder, the store next door was owned by the guy who played Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lamb.
Bunnygrrl's best friend was crazy about a guy whose best friend was later killed by Dahmer. One of my fomer roommates claims to have been approached by Dahmer, but thought so little of him he didn't remember it. He claims friends told him later that Dahmer had tried to pick him up. Course, this roommate told lots of stories.
A former coworker of mine believes he once met Dahmer. Apparently my friend was at the club, Berlin, when Dahmer and another guy sat next to him. Dahmer got up and went to the bathroom, and the guy asked my friend his opinion. The guy wanted to know if he should go home with Dahmer, cuz he was getting a weird vibe. My friend told him he should go with his gut instinct, and the dude left. Dahmer came out and wanted to know where the guy hand gone, and my friend told him he left. Then Dahmer said something that chilled my friend. "Well, that's okay. I'll get him later."
Now this cab driver.  I thought there were only supposed to be 35-50 serial killers operating in the US at any given time. Why am I in close proximity to so many?
On top of all that, my grandparents once lived a suburb over from John Wayne Gacy (or is it the same suburb?), and I used to hang out among the fomer hunting grounds of Larry Isler (Chicago's northside gay neighborhood).
Are you scared yet?
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
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Hmm, closest I've come is that my great great uncle was murdered by his male lover.
Well, I had an experience with a psycho, though. About 3 years ago, just after moving to NYC and not knowing anyone, I made a date with a guy I met on the internet.
MISTAKE!
We met for drinks, and he was decidedly weird. Not only was he not nearly as attractive as his online picture, but he had this odd, broken way of speaking and flitting his eyes. And he was just a dufus.
So I had two drinks and chatted, and said goodnight. I was polite, and gave him my phone number so I didn't appear to be completely ditching him.
MISTAKE!
He called me the next night, leaving a message asking me to go out. I didn't respond. EVERY day he would call and leave a message, and they were always very long, rambling and vaguely coherent. This went on for two weeks, and I never responded. You'd think he'd get the hint. But in his subsequent messages, it was if he had no idea I wasn't responding--each one had the tone as if it was his first time calling to ask me out.
I was online again 2 weeks after we met and he was in the same chat room, and he pm'ed me. At first I ignored him, but he kept pm'ing me, which p.o.'ed me. So finally I responded saying, "I am not interested in seeing you, so please stop pming me and calling me. Thanks."
MISTAKE!
This chat site opened up a new window everytime you pm'ed someone, even the same person. Suddenly my screen is filled with chat windows as he must have flew into a freakish rage and just started clicking away.
And then my phone rang, which naturally sent me into a panic. I didn't answer. Sure enough, a message pops up. Go to check it...it's psycho boy! He says in the message that I was a "very, very bad person." (even his insults were lame). But then he goes on to say that I messed with the wrong person, I didn't know who I had given my number to, I was going to be sorry, etc.
Well, that was enough of internet dating for me!
I played the voicemail for my roommates, just so they'd know about in case, somehow, this lunatic was ever able to do anything. They suggested I go to the police, but I knew that would be a fairly useless tactic, since they guy hadn't actually done anything, I didn't know where he lived, etc.
Anyway, I thought it was over. But a couple weeks later I get a voicemail from him! And he's not mad, he's asking me if I want to get together for a date, just like in his earlier messages! Gaaah!
About once a week for the next month, he would leave the same message, as if his psycho fit had never happened. Finally he must have gotten the hint or forgotten about me, because the calls stopped.
Or so I thought.
SIX MONTHS later, I was in a tanning booth in preparation for a beach vacation. I hear my phone ring, but can't answer, of course. When I check the message...IT'S THE LUNATIC! And he's asking me on a date again!
Thankfully, that was the last time I ever heard from the nutball. However, I would not be surprised if one day he were to call again, the little bumbledick.
Last edited by Boris Godunov on 23-06-2003 at 05:00
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ajbera
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of the Cookieville Minimum Security Orphanarium
Apr 1999
time: 05:29
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SK's go where the victims are. Prostitutes are the highest-risk group because it's their profession to go with complete strangers to private locations for sex.
Many gays also have (or used to have) sex with strangers, which provides many opportunities for a killer to claim someone. Gays are also more accustomed to being surreptitious in their liaisons, providing greater anonymity for the killer.
I've often wondered why more hetero women weren't picked up by SKs at clubs and bars. While it does happen, I think they caught on to the fact that it was extremely dangerous to run off with a strange man before the gay crowd did. It seems (and I've never been part of the bar/club crowd, so I can't say from experience) that women are more likely to learn something about their potential one-sight-stand, like if he's a regular, etc.
I think the gay crowd has become more cautious about these risks. At least, you don't see the huge bodycounts for gay SKs like you did before - Gacy (33), Eyler (25), Kearney (27) Bonin (10+), Kraft (16+, possibly 67), etc. Dahmer (17) will likely be the last high bodycount gay murderer for a little while.
However, I've heard that some young gay men are no longer even taking the standard precautions against AIDS anymore, so they might be exposing themselves to greater risk of being murdered for shits and giggles. Can anyone from Poly's gay community confirm or deny greater risk-taking behaviors among the younger crowd?
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Dr Strangelove
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Che, aren't you from Chicago? Doesn't that sorta guarentee that there would be a serial killer close by?
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Static Universe
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quote:
Originally posted by ajbera
I've often wondered why more hetero women weren't picked up by SKs at clubs and bars. While it does happen, I think they caught on to the fact that it was extremely dangerous to run off with a strange man before the gay crowd did. It seems (and I've never been part of the bar/club crowd, so I can't say from experience) that women are more likely to learn something about their potential one-sight-stand, like if he's a regular, etc.
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Probably because the SKs don't like the competition from all the others creeps at the bar
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
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Serial killers are sex criminals, so naturally the crimes are going to be related to sex in their nature. The Ripper didn't slice his victims from vagina to breasts because he was interested in anatomy. Psychologists point on that such people are outsiders, people who feel so removed from society that they hate it and have this disconnect where they feel the urge to take out their fury on targets. For a gay killer, the anger is probably even more intense.
Gay SKs found easy prey, yes, by the nature of the gay underworld, particularly among closeted young men who were intent on being secretive, or those who were drug addicts.
However, you'll see from any survey that the vast majority of SK victims have been women. Bundy killed perhaps as many as 37 women, and others have had higher body counts . Pedro Lopez killed over 300 girls, Harold Shipman perhaps 150, Bruno Ludke over 80, Andrei Chikatilo 52...
Women are still a bit more vulnerable to such predators, because there is still the difference that women will in general have a harder time putting up a fight against an assailant.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Che, aren't you from Chicago? Doesn't that sorta guarentee that there would be a serial killer close by? |
Yes and no. Chicago seems to have a disproportionate number of SKs that hunt gays, and since I had a lot of friends in Chicago's gay community, it stands to reason I'd know people affected. That's why I don't really consider Eyler as that much of a coincidence. Dahmer, on the other hand, killed someone I had actually met and the best friend of someone I knew periferally.
Drake, acutally, being a woman is far more likely to get you killed than being gay, especially prostitutes. There was an Indiana SK who killed women he picked up in clubs, and this guy here in Jax was killing women.
Gacy and the guy in Atlanta targetted young men and boys.
There are a tiny handful of female SKs who target men, so don't think you're safe.
You seem to know a lot about SK's, Boris. Have you checked out the new book about the Ripper by the forensic investigator who claims he was Walter Sickert?
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
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quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You seem to know a lot about SK's, Boris. Have you checked out the new book about the Ripper by the forensic investigator who claims he was Walter Sickert? |
I used to love watching Forensic Files and the like. It's certainly a fascinating subject.
Actually, when I was in London I did a Ripper walking tour, and the guy who did it is among the foremost "Ripperologists," Donald Rumbelow. I have just read his book, and while a bit old (1975), it's one of the most comprehensive looks at the murders and suspects. Rumbelow is a former policeman, so that is the perspective he takes things from.
I think Rumbelow said it best that, in all likelihood, we will just never know who the Ripper was. He said something like, "I suspect that, should there be a Day of Judgment and all the mysteries of the universe are revealed to us, when Ripperologists ask God who the culprit was and He answers, we will all say, 'who?'"
Modern theories are fanciful, but I strongly expect nobody has ever fingered the real Ripper. There were so many nameless, forgotten people in Victorian London that the odds of having pinpointed the killer are slim.
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