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SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
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Does it look like that's what I said?
English is your primary language, so where did I say that?

Thorn is offline Thorn
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You think people should just prey on weak minded people... perhaps someone should prey on you.

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EvC, really, what good are you doing in this thread? Who are you benefiting? He's already gone through the pain you're trying to force on him, so there's no need for him to go through it again.

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Thorn, take a Xanax... you're reading things into simple comments that just aren't there.

Sloww didn't say anything about weak-minded people a) deserving to die or b) deserving to be preyed upon.

Thorn is offline Thorn
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IF you really want to know:

I absorb other peoples suffering so his pain and the pain he caused his BF becomes mine (I'm glad I didn't know you two in real life, or it would be even worse)... so anger is the only response I can give that doesn't depress me... its ****ed up I consider it a curse...

Everytime I read in the paper or watch the news and someone hurts someone else it hurts me... I take in so much hurt that I have to vent some out and I try to do it at people that cause other people suffering instead of innocent people...

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i've found that people who don't understand the sheer nastiness of depression and how it wreaks havoc on the mental state of its victims often think that it's a good idea to inform said victims of how they could have done things differently or better so as to avoid the hellish situation that the poor guy is in.

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IF you really want to know:

I absorb other peoples suffering so his pain and the pain he caused his BF becomes mine (I'm glad I didn't know you two in real life, or it would be even worse)... so anger is the only response I can give that doesn't depress me... its ****ed up I consider it a curse...

Everytime I read in the paper or watch the news and someone hurts someone else it hurts me... I take in so much hurt that I have to vent some out and I try to do it at people that cause other people suffering instead of innocent people...


Be prepared for a miserable existence filled minute by minute with agonizing pain and sorrow.

Or, take a Xanax...

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Depression is very bad (I know I have it)... but a person losing their life b/c they are hurt by someone else is so much worse...

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Or, take a Xanax...


Better yet: take 50.

Thorn is offline Thorn
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Well meds don't do **** for me... I'm on the maxiumum dose of Prozac that is proven to do anything at all.... and I'm on Wellbutran... and another anti-depressent....

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I'm sorry MrFun that you are in a bad way right now. I know nothing of your situation, but I will say that I don't think that you haven't found anyone in the pass year because of rumors. I think it something with you. Maybe you really don't want someone right now because you still feel the need to grieve, or blame, or be angry?

I find that even the most outlandish rumors have a degree of truth behind them.

IMO, you broke up with your ex in a rather undignified way. You, however, were not responsible for his mental state. Also, how are to be sure that if you broke up with him in front of his face that things would be any better. You didn't do anything wrong, it seems to be taking time for you to admit this, but one day you will realize this, and then the world will be different.

Once again I find myself agreeing with Sloww...

Q: I don't think one should dwell on how they should of done things differently, and I don't understand depression... I do think that MrFun should dwell on the matter for sometime (2 years is a little long for me, but for him?) but then forget about it. I think the experience itself is enough to change him into a more sensative man, but then, who knows, maybe one day he will find himself in a bad relationship that he is afraid to get out of... No one can weigh the outcomes of uncertainty, thus, one must weigh the certainties of their outcomes. What?

If I want out of a relationship, I end it... That's it. I can't be held responsible for things that might happen to someone else for me doing so. If such a thing is inevitable, then I may redirect my approach. Yet, the only inevitability I can be certain of in my approach is that the relationship will end.

Thorn is offline Thorn
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Mr. Fun I wouldn't be mad at you if you had caused suffering to him but not caused him to leap over the edge...

You see the suffering of living person can get resolved... but a dead person never gets resolved. So it stays with me and them forever... so you added to his pain, your pain, and even my pain... I don't hate you... but I am really upset with you...

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Dudes, he didn't break up with his boyfriend on the phone because he was a coward. He did it because he was thousands of miles away, and that was the most personal contact they could have. It wasn't a poor way of breaking up. It was, in fact, the best possible way considering the cirumstances.

It's not like he should have waited until he got home, greeted his boyfriend, and then said, "It's over." That would have been much more callous and rude.

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what i meant with my last post is that often times, people in depression don't need to be reminded what it is they messed up because of their depression; they're quite aware of it and they know it happened because of the depression, and they don't need a third party telling them they made a bad decision, or that they made it worse with their bad decision, etc., etc., etc.

often times, when the depressed person is trying to get better, and trying to heal him/herself, he's even more acutely aware of the self-made disaster, and wants help fixing it--not another person, in addition to their worst critic (themselves), carping on how their failures could have been averted had they just done this or that.

Thorn is offline Thorn
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If someone hadn't died I wouldn't give any hurt on this thread.

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ah, I see...

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I don't know enough about the situation. Who cares if you've not dated in a year...I've not dated anyone ever. Seems a bit pointless at my age and the relative immaturity of girls when in relationships right now.

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Yes, Thorn, we can all see you are a melodramatically silly person who has to make himself feel important by making up a bunch what-he-thinks-is-cool-sounding pish-posh. Nobody cares, though, about your supposed deranged mental state (I, for one, think you're full of horsepoop), nobody is impressed or interested about your supposed relationship issues with your supposed boyfriend, and nobody sees you as anything other than a source of amusement for you erratic but obviously forced behavior.

Just keep this in mind going forward, and we'll all be at an understanding, thanks.

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Whatever Boris... I'm not a real human being.... I can't be suffering at all... All I am here for is your amusement and shits and giggles...

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This thread isn't about you, it's about MrFun and his situation. Shamelessly turning it into your own little stage for perpetuating your nonsense isn't a sign that you are mentally disturbed, a freak, or anything other than a self-centered, rude little boy. You are a human being, just a pathetic one. Happy now?

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Not to sound heartless or anything, /me sips on some blood , but having someone commite suicide is none's fault but their own. Unless you have tortured them or destroyed their lives or anything. Breaking up with someone doesn't really qualify though.

So those who think he killed himslef just cause you dumped him are, well, lacking IQ and/or are sorry ass people who want to hurt you.


Either way, fook them! (metaphorically).


and i estimate that that thing about not meeting someone just because of rumours is just in your head.

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Yep, I am on the side of MrFun here..

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This thread isn't about you, it's about MrFun and his situation. Shamelessly turning it into your own little stage for perpetuating your nonsense isn't a sign that you are mentally disturbed, a freak, or anything other than a self-centered, rude little boy. You are a human being, just a pathetic one. Happy now?


I didn't turn this into a thread about me, someone asked me a question, and I responded and then people persisted, simple.

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btw, mrfun: i'm sorry about what happened.

his suicide wasn't your fault, although i must admit that i'm somewhat surprised you weren't aware of how unbalanced he was. i suppose that's only natural, though, in a long distance relationship.

as for those who call you a coward or what not-- i doubt they know the whole story, and that's what they're basing it on. it sucks, probably hard to ignore, but it'll be there for a while, it sounds like.

what's worse is that on the path to recovery, the good days are fragile and anything can knock you back off the horse.

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Thanks to the guys who gave me sympathy: QCubed, Boris, paiktis22, and others in this thread.

I guess Slowwhand was insensitive the way he initially put his thoughts -- it hurt, until I realized he agrees with me that breaking up over the phone should be avoided unless the situation does not allow any other option.

A couple of days after I broke up with him, but before his suicide, we talked for one last time on the phone for over an hour while I was still in Ecuador. I told him I appreciated all the things he did for me (helping me start college, encouraging me), and that I could not stop caring for him, or loving him (although the love would be different). It was a good talk, but alas, it did not prevent Mark from making an awful choice.

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I told him I appreciated all the things he did for me (helping me start college, encouraging me), and that I could not stop caring for him, or loving him (although the love would be different). It was a good talk, but alas, it did not prevent Mark from making an awful choice.


Ack why didn't you say that earlier? Your lack of information can lead to rash jumps to conclusion.

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That says more about those jumping to a rash, unsubstantiated conclusion that it does him, now doesn't it?

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I'm sorry I've just seen too many people act like bastards (especially gay people)... it makes me quite cynical.

Sorry Mr.Fun. I take back my comments... not that you even listened to them anyway... as why would anyone take anything seriously from the Apolyton looney.... no?

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Gawd, Boris. It wasn't you that made the cracker remark, but you do anything else you can mange.

Glad I was able to make myself understood, MrFun.
It was his failing that was big-time, not your method.

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Gawd, Boris. It wasn't you that made the cracker remark, but you do anything else you can mange.

Glad I was able to make myself understood, MrFun.
It was his failing that was big-time, not your method.


Yeah -- I knew at the time that breaking up in person was the best way -- if it was possible at that time.

Anyway, I have felt a lot better than I did the past couple of days -- and at least after returning home two years ago from Ecuador, I found true friends -- ones I will probably keep for a lifetime even after I move for graduate school this fall.

I would appreciate if one of the moderators would close this thread now.

 
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