24-06-2003 03:23									#1
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Taking my daughter to girl scout camp yesterday I listened to a PBS article about child soldiers in Africa. Some of the forces fighting in the Congo are composed of up to 50% children, ranging to as young as six years old. This includes the forces located in the area where the 2 UN observers were killed and eaten. Furthermore a number of these groups are supplying their young warriors with something to keep their fighting spirits up, marijuana. One group, the "Rally for Democracy in the Congo" even puts marijuana in the food on days when attacks are planned. Certainly this makes the assertion that Marijuana reduces agression questionable. It also makes one wonder whether the killers of the UN workers, who ate their victim's livers, may have been suffering from an attack of KILLER MUNCHIES !

	24-06-2003 03:30									#2
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Oh bullshit. I'll buy the child soldiers. I won't buy the marijuana induced frenzy. Cocaine, maybe.

	24-06-2003 03:35									#3
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And besides that, I'm disappointed.
I thought you were going to inform on some new job benefits for the position of Radical.
Maybe I'd change my political opinion a little then.

	24-06-2003 03:48									#4
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Oh bullshit. I'll buy the child soldiers. I won't buy the marijuana induced frenzy. Cocaine, maybe.

If they could afford cocaine they could afford grown up soldiers. Gunga's cheap and can be grown locally. The accusation of marijuana doping of the kiddie corps was made by a 14 year old ex-warrior who gave his personal accounting, in French, of his life in the militia. Besides, why would PBS put out a false negative report on the usage of marijuana? You and I both know that PBS only hires ex-hippies who can prove that they were at the original Woodstock.

	24-06-2003 03:51									#5
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand And besides that, I'm disappointed. I thought you were going to inform on some new job benefits for the position of Radical. Maybe I'd change my political opinion a little then.

How much more radical can you get than killing peacekeepers and eating their internal organs? Man, I don't want to be anywhere near your idea of radical. Perhaps you were thinking of peacekeepers killing child soldiers and eating their..........oh, I don't want to even think about it.

	24-06-2003 03:53									#6
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I just can't picture it. Really strange.
What about lacing it? I bet that's it.
Maybe not with coke, but something.

	24-06-2003 04:01									#7
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I just can't picture it. Really strange. What about lacing it? I bet that's it. Maybe not with coke, but something.

Yuh.......THC, that's what they're lacing the food with. These are kids remember, and they're not exactly from your neighborhood, so their idea of what constitutes a radical snack is a little different from yours, or as Fernando Llamas used to say: "You look marvelous, simply marvelous."

	24-06-2003 04:16									#8
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Reminds me somewhat of Khmer Rouge policy - give the troops as much weed and tobacco as they can smoke, but don't give them any food so they end up eating the enemy (each other, tree bark, etc).

Maybe this cannibalism isn't due to anything more than a food shortage.

Dr S, I hope you had a good time camping with your daughter.

	24-06-2003 04:57									#9
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The cannibalism is a tribal thing. It goes way back.

They give them dope (the Simbas did the same thing back in the glory days of Che and Mad Mike) to keep them from being afraid when fired on, and in the middle of the fight.

They're motivated to attack by their general regimen of "training" (i.e. what happens when you don't do what you're told) plus good doses of tribal hate, etc.

	24-06-2003 05:25									#10
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MtG, I'd seen references to cannabalism in terms of bush Africa wars - but I don't recall it as being pan-African.

Maybe you could englighten me a bit as to the areas where it's more common?

	24-06-2003 05:33									#11
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I just can't picture it. Really strange. What about lacing it? I bet that's it. Maybe not with coke, but something.

Er sloww - dope is a herb -you can put it in food.

*shakes head*

	24-06-2003 08:06									#12
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In Sierra Leone they kidnapped young boys and forced them to become soldiers by refusing to feed them, beat them, and other wise brainwash them until they fight. Then they'd tell the kids "You've commited attrocities so the government soldiers will kill you if they catch you; your only choice is to keep fighting with us".

The only drug I've heard of child soldiers being given was speed to keep them up and dependent upon their supplier/kidnapper.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin In Sierra Leone they kidnapped young boys and forced them to become soldiers by refusing to feed them, beat them, and other wise brainwash them until they fight. Then they'd tell the kids "You've commited attrocities so the government soldiers will kill you if they catch you; your only choice is to keep fighting with us". The only drug I've heard of child soldiers being given was speed to keep them up and dependent upon their supplier/kidnapper.

Marijuana can be grown locally. Why would a drug lord sell perfectly good speed in a bottom barrel market like Africa when he can get decent money in America or Europe?

	24-06-2003 08:23									#14
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Two cannibals eat a clown. One turns to the other and says; "did that taste funny to you?"

	24-06-2003 08:37									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Two cannibals eat a clown. One turns to the other and says; "did that taste funny to you?"

I don't get it? Are you saying that UN observers are clowns?

How about this: Two cannibals eat a UN observer. One turns to the other and says; "You know that didn't even taste like meat, what do you think that tasted like?" The other replies: "Some sort of vegetable, perhaps peas." The first one nods appreciatively: "Yes, that's it. I can visualise whirled peas."

	24-06-2003 08:41									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Reminds me somewhat of Khmer Rouge policy - give the troops as much weed and tobacco as they can smoke, but don't give them any food so they end up eating the enemy (each other, tree bark, etc). Maybe this cannibalism isn't due to anything more than a food shortage. Dr S, I hope you had a good time camping with your daughter.

We didn't stay with her. We dropped her off for a week's stay in a college dorm. Evidently roughing it isn't mandatory for the Girl Scouts like it is for the Boy Scouts.

	24-06-2003 08:49									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Marijuana can be grown locally. Why would a drug lord sell perfectly good speed in a bottom barrel market like Africa when he can get decent money in America or Europe?

As long as you have the chemicals (very easy to get outside of regulated markets of the 1st world) you can make speed in a bath tube. There's no trick and you can get the formula over the internet.

	24-06-2003 08:51									#18
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The children fighters in Somalia were given drugs to fuel their bloodlust, but it wasn't marijuana. I think it was a local narcotic, similar to beetlenut, where they had to chew it.

I don't remember where, but I've seen pic's of the children you are talking about. One child was carrying an AK-47 that was almost as large as the child. It's pretty messed up in the Congo right now.....but since they don't have oil......oh wel.

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The speed was used in the diamond wars IIRC. Marijuana is a very different experience when eaten, much more of a psychadelic trip than when it is smoked, and it lasts longer also. I can see how it might be used by a third world military as part of its program. It won't make soldiers fight better (on the contrary IMO), but it will make their boring lives less painful, blot out some of the horror of what they've seen / done, all insuring that there are more soldiers around when the need arises for them.

	24-06-2003 09:00									#20
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quote: The accusation of marijuana doping of the kiddie corps was made by a 14 year old ex-warrior who gave his personal accounting, in French, of his life in the militia.

Hmmm, my biggest problem is that we are relying on a 14 year old for accurate info.

By the way, in Somalia didn't the Somalians chew on something called Quat, or Kuat, or something like that, all day that put them into a frenzy?

	24-06-2003 09:13									#21
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd By the way, in Somalia didn't the Somalians chew on something called Quat, or Kuat, or something like that, all day that put them into a frenzy?

That's the drug I was talking about.

	24-06-2003 10:11									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Marijuana can be grown locally. Why would a drug lord sell perfectly good speed in a bottom barrel market like Africa when he can get decent money in America or Europe?

There's herbal stimulants and meds all over the place. No need to buy refined crap - you get the local stuff.

	24-06-2003 10:14									#23
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marijuana doesnt' cause violence

it eases violent thoughts

perhaps this is why the war is taking so long.

	24-06-2003 10:14									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy MtG, I'd seen references to cannabalism in terms of bush Africa wars - but I don't recall it as being pan-African. Maybe you could englighten me a bit as to the areas where it's more common?

It's very common in tropical central Africa, AFAIK, unheard of in much of the grasslands/coastal parts of the continent.

Livers have special significance in a lot of cannibalistic practice, so do hearts. Interestingly enough, it's more about organs and their supposed function/value, than it is about meat or calories - a lot of the bodies go to waste.

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove If they could afford cocaine they could afford grown up soldiers. Gunga's cheap and can be grown locally. The accusation of marijuana doping of the kiddie corps was made by a 14 year old ex-warrior who gave his personal accounting, in French, of his life in the militia. Besides, why would PBS put out a false negative report on the usage of marijuana? You and I both know that PBS only hires ex-hippies who can prove that they were at the original Woodstock.

Maybe it makes them passive enough that they don't run away at the first shot.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Livers have special significance in a lot of cannibalistic practice, so do hearts. Interestingly enough, it's more about organs and their supposed function/value, than it is about meat or calories - a lot of the bodies go to waste.

Actually this practice is also common in many parts of the world including parts of Europe such as the Balkans. It was common in the Indo China war, in Cambodia for example.

New Zealand maori soldiers ate the hearts of dead Germans in the Greek and Italian campaigns of World War II.

	24-06-2003 16:52									#27
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Hmmm, my biggest problem is that we are relying on a 14 year old for accurate info. By the way, in Somalia didn't the Somalians chew on something called Quat, or Kuat, or something like that, all day that put them into a frenzy?

Well, yes. but it's not a huge chemical hit like speed. More like a cup of ultra strong coffee.

Mind you, there are plenty of stronger local alternatives. Khat's advantage is that it travels well - so well you can buy it at certain market stalls in London and many other non-Aftrican cities.

Pretty sure "Chard" is the English word for the plant.