25-06-2003 00:17									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Eli You dont need to invade them... Just send the 20 B-2s to a couple of bombing runs directed on 5-6 targets and voila.

Yes, voila - not just zero international support, PROFOUNDLY NEGATIVE international hatred. Expect to get retaliation.

That's a crap reason to invade any country. Why didn't you invade the UK, France, the USSR, South Africa, Israel etc etc etc.

"And as the Good Book says... You're on your own, son!"

(Blazing Saddles).

	25-06-2003 00:27									#32
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although this poses an interesting question.

Why not just bomb the nuclear facilities?

If they rebuild them, we bomb them again.

There is no reason to take over a whole country just for one nuclear facility.

The only problem with this, is eventually they will build them underground. That would be impossible to bomb- without using nukes at least

	25-06-2003 00:29									#33
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hmm... so much bad and good could come from action or inaction... who knows what could be the possible effects 100 years down the road. Its very frightening i think, especially with the prospect that we cant keep terrorists from getting the bomb forever, and we are certainly number 1 on their **** list.

The only solution would be to break the terrorists' will to fight for their cause... that would be tremendously hard to do considering their fanatcism and the restraint the US must use due to the Geneva treaty and other human rights considerations.

	25-06-2003 00:39									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Lets not forget Afghanistan. Any mention of it in US media lately?

Afghanistan is hanging there. I believe our strategic goal is to build up terroritories under Karzai's control and set an example for the rest of the country. That will put pressure on the warlords and deprive support for the Taliban. Since Afghanistan is a sh1thole to begin, we want to achieve our goal with minimum amount of investment.

Chinese communists did the same thing with "liberated" zone during the civil war and "special economic region" during the reform. It appears to be working.

	25-06-2003 00:39									#35
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we could always surrender to the arab nations

	25-06-2003 00:41									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Eli And dont forget about Syria.

That's your own dirty work.

	25-06-2003 00:42									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident we could always surrender to the arab nations

Defeatist wimps!

	25-06-2003 00:47									#38
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Okay, how about we act nice to the arabs and give them what they want?

	25-06-2003 00:51									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Yes, voila - not just zero international support, PROFOUNDLY NEGATIVE international hatred. Expect to get retaliation.

There will be "retaliation" whether you do anything or not.

quote: That's a crap reason to invade any country. Why didn't you invade the UK, France, the USSR, South Africa, Israel etc etc etc.

It's a great reason to invade countries. The US didnt invade those countries either because it couldnt or because they were allies.


Iran can be stopped and therefore it should be stopped.

	25-06-2003 00:53									#40
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quote: That's your own dirty work.

Shhh. Bush seems so eager, so maybe he'll do the job for us.

quote: Originally posted by Dissident Okay, how about we act nice to the arabs and give them what they want?

They want my body floating in the mediterranean.

	25-06-2003 00:53									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Okay, how about we act nice to the arabs and give them what they want?

Arabs? Don't you mean "some Muslims"?

And what do they want? Demilitarization in Saudi, greater political freedom and the dismantling of Israel.

The first 2 are possible - the 3rd isn't.

	25-06-2003 00:53									#42
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Iran is just using the nuclear facilities to generate power

	25-06-2003 00:54									#43
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The evacuation of Israel is possible. I already mentioned sending them to New Mexico or maybe Texas

	25-06-2003 00:55									#44
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I thought that nuclear non proliferation was a UN problem. Perhaps we ought to hear from the Security Council on Iran. The IAEA seems quite perturbed by Iran's defiance.

If we ever want to go to war against Iran, it will have to be because they were defying UN resolutions. But, as far as I know, the UN SC still has yet to speak on this issue.

	25-06-2003 00:56									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident The evacuation of Israel is possible. I already mentioned sending them to New Mexico or maybe Texas

As discussed in another thread, Jews are good urban renewers.

	25-06-2003 00:57									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Eli There will be "retaliation" whether we do anything or not.

A fatalistic attitude there - but can't you see the difference between killing people for no reason and between responding to an attack on a sovereign nation?

quote: Originally posted by Eli It's a great reason to invade countries. The US didnt invade those countries either because it couldnt or because they were allies.

I see... so if a nuclear armed Arab superstate invades Israel, that's OK by you?

quote: Originally posted by Eli Iran can be stopped and therefore it should be stopped.

Why? Because it gives them a deterance against Israel, perhaps?

	25-06-2003 00:58									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Okay, how about we act nice to the arabs and give them what they want?

Sure, you can start by converting to Wahhabism. Hey, you may even be eligible to have up to 4 (submissive) wives.

	25-06-2003 01:03									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless Sure, you can start by converting to Wahhabism. Hey, you may even be eligible to have up to 4 (submissive) wives.

It's tempting.

	25-06-2003 01:03									#49
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4 wives sounds good to me.

now if I can figure out where to find them...

	25-06-2003 01:07									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy A fatalistic attitude there - but can't you see the difference between killing people for no reason and between responding to an attack on a sovereign nation?

Yes, in the second case the terrorists dont have to invest in propaganda.

quote: I see... so if a nuclear armed Arab superstate invades Israel, that's OK by you?

I will understand their motives.

The good part is that since Israel has nukes, the hypothetical Arab super state cant do a thing against us.

quote: Why? Because it gives them a deterance against Israel, perhaps?

A deterrance, and the capability to destory Israel with only a few nukes.

Iran is a country that invests plenty of resources in the destruction of Israel, and from purely selfish reasons I believe that they should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

My life and the life of my friends and relatives and my country come first, "right" and "fair" are luxuries.

	25-06-2003 01:24									#51
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Eli, does Israel consider itself in a state of war with Iran?

	25-06-2003 01:45									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Okay, how about we act nice to the arabs and give them what they want?

gah... they are such a headache. Im glad im not in power right now, it would be sooo easy to just say, "KILL 'EM ALL!"

	25-06-2003 01:50									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Arabs? Don't you mean "some Muslims"? And what do they want? Demilitarization in Saudi, greater political freedom and the dismantling of Israel. The first 2 are possible - the 3rd isn't.

no no, my friend ,

Thats what they SAY they want... (except Al Quida, which openly wishes for the destruction of the West, especially America) Believe me, if we were to give into all those demands, they would just start demanding moer, and more.

They are just bored, angry men whose lives have no purpose or direction, so men looking for power give them direction (terrorism), and in return they derive power (and eventual wealth) from those who take their direction.

	25-06-2003 01:50									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident The evacuation of Israel is possible. I already mentioned sending them to New Mexico or maybe Texas

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident The evacuation of Israel is possible. I already mentioned sending them to New Mexico or maybe Texas

Thats an awesome idea!

Come to Texas, Israel, please! Our standardized testing scores will go thru the roof! Take that Alabama!

	25-06-2003 01:55									#56
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quote: A deterrance, and the capability to destory Israel with only a few nukes. Iran is a country that invests plenty of resources in the destruction of Israel, and from purely selfish reasons I believe that they should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. My life and the life of my friends and relatives and my country come first, "right" and "fair" are luxuries

my thoughts exactly

	25-06-2003 02:33									#57
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My countrymen are fools.

	25-06-2003 02:36									#58
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quote: Originally posted by GP (and most of your pussyass Senate Democrats voted against freeing Kuwait/supporting the president in 1991.)

It's not their job to support the President. It's their job to do what they think is best for the country, or whatever their owners pay them to do.

Kuwait still isn't free. It just has a different set of dictators running it. Sure glad we suported those monsters.

	25-06-2003 02:56									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Japher We can't, or really shoudn't, do anything to Iran right now. We are way over our quota of Arabs killed this year,

Iranians aren't Arab it won't affect our quota.

	25-06-2003 02:59									#60
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara My countrymen are fools.

Good thing foreign policy decisions aren't made by polls.