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Aidun is offline Aidun
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Welcome in The Carouser.

You can sleep here, as well as eat and drink, as much as you like and for as much as you can afford.
Listen to the tall stories that are told by the travellers beside the fire.

Have a nice time.

Aidun

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The Carouser announces: Happy Hour from 11 to 12 (GMT) on thursday 26th of June. A pint of ale or stout for half price! Wines: 33 percent discount! Don't let this pass by!!

Aidun

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* UnOrthOdOx stumbles in

Aw, sh*t, missed happy hour.

What the hell, give me some o that ale anyway!

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Crud, missed it. Gimme the leftover anyway, don't look like no one took the deal.

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Here you are, MrMitchell, UnOrtO. Three bronze coins each.

*Aidun grabs a chair and settles himself at the table of MrMitchell and UnOrthOdOx.*

It's a bit silent these days, isn't it? I'm but happy that you are here; you see its nothin' fun sittin' in the taproom with nobody to talk at.

Aidun

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* Kloreep pays for a "leftover" too and grabs a chair at the table.

"We need to start exploring; the stories our ancestors have passed down through the ages cannot be just legends, so I bet there's 'cattle' and 'wines' out there, but not available to us hungry Tabejin! I say that has got to change!"

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You are right, but we have but few real warriors to explore and the world outside this village is too dangerous. We'll need them more to defend this a bit. Until then you'll have to do with bread and ale.

Another one gentlemen?

Take your time Kloreep, the others haven't got any anymore so it's meant more for them than for you.


Aidun

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Worl' ouZide ze village? Zay, you ever dreamed of other worldz in yer zleep? Why, juzt last night I wuz dreamin' I wuz gonna be made a prezident!!! What iz a prezident anyway?

Thiz sur iz good Ale, give me another!

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Ah hoid a president is duh leader of a dem-awk-rah-cee! Dis ain' no dem-awk-rah-cee, man. Whutchoo thinkin'?

(okay so my slang is from all over the place).

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I anofer wan, bartennie.

Yes speeched slur my! Whachoo takin mfe ouside f-for?

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Aidun drags MrMitchell, Rothaerill, UnOrthOdOx and Kloreep off their chairs through the doorway, to the street. He gets himself four buchets of cold water and poors each over the sleepy heads of the carousers. "Wake up guys, you must have slept our your debauch by now. Wake up, there is work to do. Get yourself ready. I spoke with ZargonX last evening and he told me that we needed to have a big dinner to duscuss what we plan to do in the next turns. We also have to learn each other better, so that we know what we can expect from eachj other: how experienced are you with Civ3/PTW, are you a strategist, a warmonger, or a builder and what is your taste.
If you need to bath and have none in your own home or if you haven't got any home at all, you can rent a room here. Ten bronze coins per night.

Aidun

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* Kloreep struggles to wake up and holds his head. "Ugh... me need bath... just tell those workers to go mine the plain or something..."

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We also have to learn each other better, so that we know what we can expect from eachj other: how experienced are you with Civ3/PTW, are you a strategist, a warmonger, or a builder and what is your taste.


Hmm, well I guess I can talk a bit about myself.

I've played civ3 on and off for about two years or so (and haunted 'Poly almost as long even though I didn't register...I just browsed the strat forums). I'm certainly not claiming I'm a great civ player, but I'm fairly decent. I have no prior experience with democracy games, though I've joined four of them now in the past month. I think they're a lot of fun so far. As to the way I play it depends on the context of the game. I'm generally a 65/35 builder to warmonger. I like building my infrastructure and occasionally tend not to even go to war until the Industrial Age (I should say go to annihilation war...a defensive war with a little bit of conquest tends to happen sometimes ). AU208 and some of the other games I've played recently were good for that.

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Ah yes, playing style...

I used to be pretty much builder (See the Legoland membership icon to the left ); I usually fight one or two wars by the late middle ages to ensure two good cores plus some breathing room, but otherwise I normally build. That was before I started played Boot Camp I at MZO. (A GOTM-type thing like AU.) Now I'm beginning to swing toward more of a warmonger. I still like infrastructure, but I'd like to think I'm becoming more pragmatic about war vs. build.

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For myself: the day after Civ3 was in the Dutch shops, I bought it, because I was a great Civ 2 fan and had just played it out on deighty by the strategy of guerrilla warfare.
Civ3 proved to me a bit more difficult and I have played for several months (with gaps form time to time) on the level of chieftain and warlord. Then I got disinterested and restarted playing AOE. When I restarted playing Civ 3 I started on level regent. After PTW came out I played a lot and reched Monarch. I'm now too experienced in monarch. I win every game on monarch, but I loose everyone on emperror, so I still have to find a strategy for that level.
Because I wanted more challenge, I have started playing DyP some time ago and I like it very well.

I like to build in aciv game and I prefer having a good economy: having libraries, marketplaces, universities and barracks in each city. When I think that my nation is ready for it I can start endless wars and finaly win by dominition, but until that time I try to avoid war as much as possible. during a war I NEVER agree with giving up a city which I build and in which I did investments.
I never use the luxury slider, but rather keep people quiet by harsh military oppression. Sometimes I use creative ways to gain victory, like giving up half of my empire and letting the enemy conquer it so he has less troops to defend each city, so I can easily conquer it back, including his own cities. These are but AI strategies which I developped myself. I never visit the Strategy Forums, so I'm not a strategist in that way. I know nothing of calculations and tables like some people do, I play like a random ruler with a good feeling for politics, but I which I can't use in an AI game.

In RL I'm a student. I'm 19 years old and I study Political Science at the University of Leiden. I live in a suburb of the city of The Hague. In my study I learn a lot about politics, domestic politics, political organization of a state and international politics. This means I have some ideas of diplomacy that fit well to the RL international politics. Because this game has very, very much resemplance with the RL politics, I think that these theories are useful for this game as well.

Apart form this I am a great RPG and fantasy fan. On my sixteenth I started to write a book, but after some time I became too busy with my school and later my study, so I write little on it. Unfortunately for those wo are interested, I write in dutch, because my English is good enough to properly communicate, but not for writing. Until someone likes to translate, you would have know dutch, which you probably don't do.

Roth, if you like we could start a text based RPG over internet via a forum.

this is all I can tell about myself.

Aidun.

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* UnOrthOdOx shifts uncomfortably in his chair.

Im surrounded by Peacenicks?!

Bring me anyother ale, apparantly Ill be needing it. I prefer early, aggressive action. Plop out 3-5 cities and crank out the archers, warriors if I feel like Ill have Iron. After at most 10 archers, I go seeking trouble, and more importantly horses. I prefer Horses to Swords just for the upgrade path and on a standard map typically have 40-80 ready for upgrades to knights depending on casualties.

This has also made me a fan of the knight UU's, though I have been attempting to break myself of that recently.

Whatever land mass I start on, I MUST own it all. One exception was the MZO Boot Camp where I decided to role-play Ghandi...I just let good ole Otto do the warmongering for me and agressively settled in the holes he made...only went to war once that whole game, aparantly the vikings couldn't resist attacking a nation that had, oh, 13 warriors TOTAL when berserks were coming online...

That was an experience of a game. I never owned Iron, Rubber, or horses and only had 3 lux, only one with extra to trade yet was not only trading all lux and resources in, but managed a +500 income with 100% science and was pumping out the wonders. Too bad I royally screwed up the culture win...live and learn.

RL, Im 27, 2 sons: 4 and 1, married now 8 years (yes, right out of high school). Working for Boeing currently on a US Airforce contract. Put my wife through College, she is now a resperatory therapist and works at a local hospital.

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I'm not a peacenik, I just have builder tendencies. You want war, we'll give you war!

I didn't know we were doing RL info too. Oops. Anyway...I'm 28, married since last November, no kids yet (but we plan on starting soon ). Both my wife and I work for a commercial architectural firm dealing with restaurants, supermarkets, and general retail buildings. We also own a fledgling business that hasn't gotten off the ground quite yet, but that's still to come too.

Aidun, thanks for the invite to join an RPG, but I think I'm going to have to say no right now. RL is busy enough and my wife and I already have a Friday night RPG and my civ opportunities (she doesn't play civ) for my recreation time. Thanks though.

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Don't fret, UnO, we're not all peaceniks around here! Though, honestly, I fall somewhere in the middle. I love having really well put together cities, but at the same time I love the chance for a good, rompin' stompin' war. I think my MZO Bootcamp game probably showed that style, and while it is fun for me to play, it's not really the fastest way of winning the game.

More recently, I've been trying out new methods of warmongering earlier in the game, to great successes so far. But there's always room for peace in my heart

In the world of the real, I'm 24, working for a public television station in Maryland. I do internet content development for them, which is a fancy word for editing and site maintainance. I'm a writer on the side, which I hope to soon move to being a successful writer full-time

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Unortho: I wouldn't call myself a peacenik. Wait till you see my bloody AAR for Boot Camp I.

In RL, I'm about two weeks away from turning sixteen. I'm homeschooled, currently on break like the rest of the country. (I doubt I'll be around nearly this much in the fall; I certainly won't be as active in demogames.)

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I protest to being called a peacenik! This is a clear example of American arr... Aidun quickly closes his mouth because the others gaze angily at him.

It's just that a state needs to be ready for a war, which is a great test for its economy. Uncoorninated ad-hoc warfare is, to my opinion, the ideal way to bring your state to the edge of the abyss, if you don't fall into it.

Aidun

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* UnOrthOdOx watches Aidun searching under the counter, obviously for a weapon.

Peace brothers, I was speaking in jest. I have nothing against buildering an such, just not my style, ya know? I ne'er met a tech/resource/wonder that my own club could not obtain for me, that is all. But as they say, there is more than one way to kill a monkey. I don't care so much as long as I have a full belly at the end of the day, eh?

So, next rounds on me!

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I don't care so much as long as I have a full belly at the end of the day, eh?


Lets all drink on this!

Here you are

* Aidun givea all of the carousers their ale.

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Unortho: I wouldn't call myself a peacenik. Wait till you see my bloody AAR for Boot Camp I.

In RL, I'm about two weeks away from turning sixteen. I'm homeschooled, currently on break like the rest of the country. (I doubt I'll be around nearly this much in the fall; I certainly won't be as active in demogames.)


Hey, a fellow home schooler , I just finished and am getting read to go to collage this next year and I'm 17. : praying:

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My style of play varies from day to day... so when I argue for a Barracks, I'll probably end up arguing against it before it gets built...

Mainly I believe that forward scouting and a strong economy trumps a rush. Workers, tons of them, will win games (and in MP, Diplomacy). Defense should be fluid and mostly made of attacking units. Determine what is expendible, what is important, and use what is expendible as a lure and for time to respond.

I think CivIII is heavily weighted towards the defender (assuming an intelligent defender), so an offensive needs to be unexpected and UnOrthOdOx. And when things are really important... bombardment... bombardment... bombardment.

As for China specifically, I think we should get the Great Wall about 20 turns before Chivalry, use our GA to build Horses and cash, and then go find some food! (Iron permitting of course)

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A military stategist, that is waht we need. Here take another one Aeson.

* Aidun takes Aeson's empty mug and hands him another one with ale.

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I think we're pretty well mixed. We have a lot of people with more well developed builder tendencies than military, and people with more military sense to keep us from being too wimpy. All in all I think that will make for a good team.

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Yes, a good team, mixed in the sense of civ qualities.

Ethnically American with me as minority

Let it be fun!

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Great wall, eh?

I was just reading that thread on the uses of walls the other day as well...may be a bit of a bug there, but that would sure make some fortresses.

plus...a GA...lots o horsies and cash for upgrades.

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Great wall, eh?

I was just reading that thread on the uses of walls the other day as well...may be a bit of a bug there, but that would sure make some fortresses.

plus...a GA...lots o horsies and cash for upgrades.


It's definitely a bug, but a somewhat useful one for defense. Since most of those who browse the strat forum lately know about it then we'd better prepare for the other teams to use it too.

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Can't we better wait with that GA to get it when we have our Riders as well?

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