25-06-2003 09:17									#31
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How could he tell you his internet wasn't working while communicating via internet?

	25-06-2003 09:33									#32
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Obiwan... easy to explain... i've had the same thing happen to be many times on AOL Instant Messenger. For example, i'm talking to someone and they are quiet for a while and then i found that they had been disconnected and didn't get any of my messages though, to me, they were always online... i've also done the same thing to other people, being disconnected and saying sorry and the person on the other end positive i was never disconnected.


thanks

	25-06-2003 09:37									#33
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True, but if you think that hard, you spoil the joke.

	25-06-2003 09:40									#34
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obiwan:

it was a bad joke to begin with

	25-06-2003 09:43									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I remember when I just got into uni at the age of 18, this gorgeous woman, half Chinese and half Spanish, who came from the Barbados, just came up to me one day and said, "Hi, I am Judy, lets go have a cup of tea." Dreams don't count .

Sounds that way, doesn't it?

	25-06-2003 10:57									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Obiwan... easy to explain... i've had the same thing happen to be many times on AOL Instant Messenger. For example, i'm talking to someone and they are quiet for a while and then i found that they had been disconnected and didn't get any of my messages though, to me, they were always online... i've also done the same thing to other people, being disconnected and saying sorry and the person on the other end positive i was never disconnected. thanks

But the only problem is....We were communicating seconds before, and a minute after

	25-06-2003 11:19									#37
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"we can breath underwater"

- said by my brother ben

"i didnt kick him in the groin, he walked into my foot"

- said by my brother rob

	25-06-2003 16:10									#38
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike I think it would be ignorant because of the tremendous amount of things that can be directly attributed to the space program. These are just a select few http://spaceplace.jpl.nasa.gov/spinoffs2.htm that I found doing a 5 sec. google search. Some of this stuff (i.e. medical imaging, fire equipment) seems pretty damn important. By completely cutting space program funding, you're also completely cutting the research that creates these things, and I find that ignorant. That's all.

I also get a bit dismissive when people mention techonologies directly attributable to the space programme. Although these technologies come from such programmes the solutions are not exclusive to it. That is to say we could have developed them without the space programme.

I'm also certain that all the Earth based technologies developed from Apollo could have been developed for well under the $25 billion spent on the programme.

If we are doing space travel for the technology I think it a waste of resources that could be better spent. The technology spin-offs just take a bit of edge off the astronomical (no pun intended) costs involved.



I do think space missions are important, and would like to increase funding. Its not a question of economics or applied use of knowledge gained. I think the things we can acheive and things we can learn are, in and of themselves, important.

	25-06-2003 16:48									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen ALWAYS had a big interest in spaceflight, stars etc..... "Oh I cant stand sci-fi or anything to do with space. All those people really just wanna go to other planets, which dosent effect us at all, its all such a waste of time. Anything to do with exploring or studying space is a waste"

Never take seriously anyone who confuses "affect" with "effect"

	25-06-2003 16:48									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch I think the things we can acheive and things we can learn are, in and of themselves, important.

And the things we can dream of ...

	25-06-2003 21:52									#41
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quote: everything like microwaves and velcro and all that are side products that did not come from exploring space.

velcro did come from the space race.

it was developed to help astronauts spacewalk. their inspiration was the brambles on the ground, yes, but that application would not have been thought of had it not been for the gemini project.

in any case, i hope we get back into space as quickly as possible. there's a lot of potential out there, but it'll require lots of investment.

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his example was hearing a girl say, "if it weren't for my horse, i wouldn't have spent that year in college."

	25-06-2003 21:59									#42
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Tang. Tang came from the space race. Didn't it?

	25-06-2003 22:05									#43
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"The majority of rape victims got what they wanted".

	25-06-2003 22:07									#44
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quote: Tang. Tang came from the space race. Didn't it?

SHH!!!!!!!!! that's not something to be proud about!

	25-06-2003 22:11									#45
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quote: I also get a bit dismissive when people mention techonologies directly attributable to the space programme. Although these technologies come from such programmes the solutions are not exclusive to it. That is to say we could have developed them without the space programme.

I disagree. Necessity is the mother of invention. What other environment would require such necessities which would lead to such inventions as plastic?

Yet, using invention as a justification for space exploration is rediculous. The mere fact that curiosity is part of human nature should cover it enough, coupled with the fact the other two parts of human nature are explotation and destruction, space is just a logical approach. Satelites for communications, spying, destroying would not be possible at all if it were not for the space program, but it was not for communications that the billions was spent to get up there... It was to spy on the commies!

	25-06-2003 22:52									#46
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If we dive into the world of science fiction, space will be our escape when we've finally raped our own Earth beyond repair. In real life, lots of handy everyday things came from the space race, and it gives a nation the massive ego it needs to become a world power. I mean, space is the "mine is longer" contest of nations.

	25-06-2003 22:55									#47
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Wait...you mean Texas isn't on the east coast?

-=Vel=-

	25-06-2003 22:56									#48
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"Minorities have it made in this country."

	25-06-2003 22:57									#49
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Texas is technically located on the eastern coast of the united states... I thought that was obvious...

	25-06-2003 23:02									#50
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Space expenditure is a waste.

	25-06-2003 23:09									#51
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Space expenditure is the ONLY way to guarantee the long term survival of the human race - in that context, we should be spending more.

Of course, we could learn how to make the best use of this planet before our descendants bugger off to other ones.

But that doesn't mean we should test and think about how one day we are going to move off world.

Of couse, if the planet was an irradiated stinking garbage heap, maybe that airhead would have a different opinion of space exploration.

It's not that bad yet - but things aren't getting any better soon.

	25-06-2003 23:11									#52
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quote: Space expenditure is the ONLY way to guarantee the long term survival of the human race - in that context, we should be spending more.

We can live here for thousands of generations. At our current rates of growth, we should wait rather than wasting resources which are still precious and scarce to us. In a few centuries, they won't be so scarce so the opportunity cost will be muchly minimised.

	25-06-2003 23:12									#53
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I use the phrase "my internet..." There's nothing wrong with that. It's short for "My Internet Connection". Plus, if someone is referring to an "internet" and not THE "Internet", they are not making a mistake.

	25-06-2003 23:15									#54
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quote: We can live here for thousands of generations. At our current rates of growth, we should wait rather than wasting resources which are still precious and scarce to us. In a few centuries, they won't be so scarce so the opportunity cost will be muchly minimised.

There are x number of resources on Earth Bodd's. As we use more and more, there will be less left, not more... and here I thought UK education systems were supposed to be better than the US.

	25-06-2003 23:18									#55
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Picking faults for no reason

Resources = all production factors

	25-06-2003 23:20									#56
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quote: Picking faults for no reason

pointing out ****ed reasoning

Resources aren't infinite. There is only such much on this planet. The more people, the less resources per person. Time's a wasting, Bodd's. You may not care about the future of humanity, but fortunately, others do.

	25-06-2003 23:21									#57
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There's the Roland Bodds Stenish Econ threads...

And then the Sava Kidiciousish threads

	25-06-2003 23:22									#58
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quote: You may not care about the future of humanity, but fortunately, others do.

which is why so many of us focus more on bread and circuses?

unfortunately, those with the long view are in the minority. they themselves are also split. some in favor of vhemt, others in space.

	25-06-2003 23:23									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's We can live here for thousands of generations. At our current rates of growth, we should wait rather than wasting resources which are still precious and scarce to us. In a few centuries, they won't be so scarce so the opportunity cost will be muchly minimised.

That's true. It depends on what you mean by living - driving around in automobiles or riding horses.

The trick we seem to have neglected in the industrial age is making sure resources are renewable - if we don't figure this out pretty soon we're all going to boil to death pretty quick anyway.

	25-06-2003 23:24									#60
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I didn't create this thread.

As with resources on this planet, I should point out that people are born with a set number of brain cells. Brain cells do not reproduce. And the human body does not produce more. Each beer, joint, etc only kills off more.