25-06-2003 03:06									#1
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It's always said that while the Indians suffered from smallpox and what not, the invading Spanish took a beating with syphillis and malaria.

but malaria? Don't Spanish, as well as all people in the mediterrenean, have the same natural immunity to malaria that africans do? what happened?

	25-06-2003 03:16									#2
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They got malaria the same way everyone else does, from mosquito bites.

And only people with sickle cell anemia genes have a natural immunity. Africans are more likely to have the genes, but it's not a guarantee. I've never heard that Mediterranians also had the sickle cell gene in high numbers.

	25-06-2003 03:22									#3
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Berbers, Turks, arabs, and populations all the way east to the western side of India-Pakistan have elevated levels of sickle-cell genes in their populations.

A very large number of Africans don't have it at all, or have it in very small numbers.

Malarial resistance is almost exclusively related to carrying the sickle-cell gene.

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Chegitz:

actually, a quarter of all sickle cell anemia cases are with mediterrenean people.

alright so i guess even with relatively high numbers of sickle cell carriers, not all mediterreneans/africans got immunity. i guess that makes sense... i mean if all were sickle cell carriers than huge percentages of the mediterenean/african population would be dying off from anemia left and right


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	25-06-2003 03:50									#5
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Wait a minute... I thought that race doesn't exist, just as these kind of differences shouldn't

WELL HOW ABOUT THAT

	25-06-2003 03:57									#6
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What race are mediterraneans?

	25-06-2003 04:01									#7
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Semitic peoples? i.e Arabs, Jews, Berbers....?

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But not those Spaniards, hm?

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro What race are mediterraneans?

I didn't say Mediterraneans are a single race, nor did I say the Spanish hold the gene - COME TO THINK OF IT, DID ANYONE???

Kind of like asking "what is the name of all objects colored red?"

	25-06-2003 04:10									#10
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No idea!

Peoples in the Iberian peninsular are a mixture of Arabs, Berbers, 'Celts' and Romans. Most of the world is so interbred that racial characteristics are mostly a fiction.

Syphilis probably wasn't brought back from the Americas, there are references to a 'maddening leprosy' from Greek times. The Crusaders brought back a 'Saracen Leprosy' with all the symptoms of classic syphilis. Its more likely a Trans-oxianic disease.

Further evidence for this is that the virulence of the disease has decreased in history, but if it only came over in 1500, then thats too little time for it to 'die down' in strength.

	25-06-2003 04:13									#11
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Well, then what´s the problem here?

	25-06-2003 04:44									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Wait a minute... I thought that race doesn't exist, just as these kind of differences shouldn't WELL HOW ABOUT THAT

Race doesn't exist.

Mutant genes that confer odd advantages do. The sickle cell gene mutation appears in virtually all populations, it just confers an evolutionary advantage in areas where malaria is endemic and medical treatment is scarce.

	25-06-2003 04:48									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Race doesn't exist.

and the holocaust never happened.

	25-06-2003 04:50									#14
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The holocaust is an event.

Is race an "event" or just a far from universal mental concept?

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat The holocaust is an event. Is race an "event" or just a far from universal mental concept?

race was an event. god greated the darker skinned people so we would know who not to trust.

	25-06-2003 05:06									#16
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lol

	25-06-2003 05:45									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX race was an event. god greated the darker skinned people so we would know who not to trust.

I know you're just starving for attention, but don't skate where the ice is too thin.