26-06-2003 01:43									#1
	Should i get Imp1, now that ive got Imp2? Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I recently purchased and am enjoying Imperialism 2. Is there any reason to get the original Imperialism?

I realize that Imp covers a later time period, and has a somewhat different economic model, etc. But this is a fairly abstract game, and I cant see going to the bother (not much expense) of getting and installing Imp 1 just for the time period, unless theres something unique about the gameplay.

So were all the gameplay changes improvements?

	26-06-2003 07:12									#2
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Military-wise, yes.

Infrastructure- and economics-wise, it is a matter of opinion. The Imperialism resource model had an interesting third tier.

	26-06-2003 23:24									#3
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Military-wise, yes. Infrastructure- and economics-wise, it is a matter of opinion. The Imperialism resource model had an interesting third tier.

I played the demo a long time ago but dont remember it real well - you converted resources into materials into goods ? And ISTR you had to build rail cars for land transport.

Those sound good in theory, but one thing im liking about Imp2 after playing a lot of Civ2 and a little SMAC is its relative elegance - im not sure I want another level of economics in this game - though i guess without the new world the whole exploration conquest is thinner in Imp.

	27-06-2003 09:29									#4
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In 2, a lot of the logistical stuff was handled for you automatically, leaving you to concentrate on playing the game. You can by 1 if you want, but IMHO it's not as good as 2.

	01-07-2003 16:19									#5
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get Imperialism, it rules.

	05-07-2003 14:16									#6
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Imperialism

	06-07-2003 03:14									#7
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Imperialism 1

	06-07-2003 08:47									#8
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i need a manual ....

	06-07-2003 09:36									#9
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Yes, you do.

	08-07-2003 09:28									#10
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actually you can dl it at underdogs site...where i got the game from...so when i have the time i will...too busy right now...

but its confusing not knowing what i am doing

	08-07-2003 12:51									#11
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I had the game, not impressed.

	10-07-2003 08:42									#12
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why not UR?

	10-07-2003 16:13									#13
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You can download the game FREE from here so even if your unsure you might aswell try as its free anywayz, just gotta download it!

~Glen

Last edited by Glen on 15-07-2003 at 19:24

	10-07-2003 20:57									#14
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good link...i got it from there, make sure you dl the manual too if you hve never played before

	11-07-2003 13:13									#15
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The game really shines in gameplay, the gfx are pretty poor, but economy model is very good and the turned based combat can be fun, if you dont mind the old gfx and you are looking for a game with solid gameplay and replayablity then this is for you, i was hooked for about 2/3weeks but with new games coming out all the time i find it hard to stay hooked to old games.

If anyone has a taste for the golden oldies whatever the genre then click this link for a website that has LOADS of old games with about 80% of them free to download (NOT illegal - just games on public domain, freeware etc...)

Last edited by Glen on 14-07-2003 at 18:01

	11-07-2003 19:19									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Glen The game really shines in gameplay, the gfx are pretty poor, but economy model is very good and the turned based combat can be fun, if you dont mind the old gfx and you are looking for a game with solid gameplay and replayablity then this is for you, i was hooked for about 2/3weeks but with new games coming out all the time i find it hard to stay hooked to old games. If anyone has a taste for the golden oldies whatever the genre then click this link for a website that has LOADS of old games with about 80% of them free to download (NOT illegal - just games on public domain, freeware etc...)

please delete the above link so that this thread does not get closed. Links to that site are not allowed here. In addition to freeware, and games in the public domain, that site includes games that the publisher no longer supports, but which it has not explicity put in the public domain. The owners of the site say they will remove any game at the publishers request, but i dont think publishers consider that they should have the burden of searching sites for their games and then notifying them, and theyre not about to implicity accept that they do.

In particular Imperialism is NOT in the public domain, and its publisher, SSI, is NOT out of business. While its unlikely that SSI will re-release Imp, or release an Imp3, its their privilege to keep their game from being pirated. In particular I beleieve they do still licence a shovelware version of Imp2, and they may not want pirate versions of Imp competing with it.

I would also point out that Imp IS available used on Ebay and elsewhere. Buying a used game gives the seller funds to buy a new game, (as well as reducing risk of buying new games) and so is more supportive of the gaming industry than downloading a pirate copy.

I have not challenged others who said theyd dl - we each make our own decisions, and i want to be polite and not impose my views here - but posting the link will get the thread shutdown.

	11-07-2003 22:35									#17
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YEAH I have to agree wit LOTM....send links via pm only... this site doesn't like this sort of behviour publically.

	14-07-2003 18:02									#18
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Well im sorry, i thort home of the underdogs was legal??? anyways i removed the link - thanks for pointing this out LOTM... wont happen again.

	14-07-2003 19:46									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Glen Well im sorry, i thort home of the underdogs was legal??? anyways i removed the link - thanks for pointing this out LOTM... wont happen again.

well in general sites arent legal or illegal (at least not in the US) but their actions are or arent.

That site is obviously not doing anything illegal when it posts freeware for DL, or games that have been explicity placed in the public domain by their publishers.

There is some disagreement about the so called "abandonware" where either they have posted a game without the publishers permission, and the publisher has not contacted them one way or the other, or the publisher is out of business. AFAIK this is still a legal grey area in the States (and elsewhere?) It gets to questions of who has the burden of notification (the DL site or the publisher) and whether a publisher going out of business puts the games in the public domain, or leaves the rights with actual or potential creditors.

Because the area is a matter of controversy, i wont condemn people here for the choices they make. But the owners of this site do not allow links to sites that post such material. Given that they might have legal exposure themselves if they did so, this seems quite reasonable on their part.

	15-07-2003 18:23									#20
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Yea sure, what you say makes sense, for future referance i can post links to respectable site but not to illagel or gray area sites or are you saying your not allowed to post links to sites at all

	15-07-2003 19:17									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Glen Yea sure, what you say makes sense, for future referance i can post links to respectable site but not to illagel or gray area sites or are you saying your not allowed to post links to sites at all

you can post links to sites. You cant post links to that well - known site. If you have a question about a specific site i suppose you could ask in apolyton/comunity forum. IIUC most sites that focus on abandonware include the grey area stuff mentioned above. I think there are freeware sites that would also included software explicitly placed in the public domain.
Moderators?

	15-07-2003 19:26									#22
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Okay LOTM thanks for informing me