26-06-2003 17:22									#1
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It takes a brave man to face up to the (potential) consequences.

This should be a major story.

This is what we call responsiblity and maturity.

Regardless of what I think about his guilt I definetly respect the guy. He's what America (should) be about.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154

"He has also alleged that his superiors had inadequately briefed the pilots before their mission.

"There is a risk (in taking the court martial route)," said his lawyer, Charles Gittins. "But principle is more important than the downside for Harry." "

	26-06-2003 17:29									#2
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*^%&*&*£$ 64 Years in Leavenworth?

There's brave, and there's REAL risk.

Hopefully the truth will come out - but I can't the USAF being at all happy about this.

Strange reaction from the families - the guy is putting his balls on the line to get to tell his side. Then again, bereavement does strange things to people.

	26-06-2003 17:56									#3
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	26-06-2003 18:26									#4
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He's got off lightly - he should be grateful his punishment wasn't worse.

I'm on the sides of the families on this one.

Trying to weasel out of stuff is what seperates us from the animals ... except the weasel.

	26-06-2003 18:31									#5
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If they want to do right by the man, they need to get him into some kind of mental health counciling.

	26-06-2003 18:36									#6
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet He's got off lightly - he should be grateful his punishment wasn't worse. I'm on the sides of the families on this one. Trying to weasel out of stuff is what seperates us from the animals ... except the weasel.

64 years in a military prison? I thought this guy was nuts before you said "he's got off lightly".

How about you FP? You'd risk 64 inside versus a months pay for just telling your side?

Do you have ANY idea what prison is like?

	26-06-2003 18:40									#7
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blaming the pilotes is stupid anyway

	26-06-2003 18:41									#8
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I hope he fights is because it wasn't entirely his fault or responsibility (only largely). At least this way there is a chance that any faults or omissions in USAF procedures will be exposed.

I notice that the other pilot has been allowed to retire. So the USAF can grudgingly say "sorry folks, one of our pilots made a misjudgement" and forget about the whole thing.

	26-06-2003 18:43									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy 64 years in a military prison? I thought this guy was nuts before you said "he's got off lightly". How about you FP? You'd risk 64 inside versus a months pay for just telling your side? Do you have ANY idea what prison is like?

What? I'm positive that 64 years in a military prison would be hellish - that's why I disagree with his actions!

From the linked article:

quote: Maj. Harry Schmidt turned his back on an opportunity to escape with a penalty no harsher than the loss of a month's pay, possible revocation of his pilot's licence and a short term of house arrest.

The guy had an opportunity to get off with "penalty no harsher than the loss of a month's pay, possible revocation of his pilot's licence and a short term of house arrest"!
However, he's opted for a full court martial in an effort to clear his name completely. However, if found guilty again the penalties are guaranteed to be much harsher.

That's either very brave or very stupid. I've picked the latter, but your mileage may vary.

	26-06-2003 18:43									#10
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There's prison, and there's Leavenworth.

	26-06-2003 18:51									#11
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet What? I'm positive that 64 years in a military prison would be hellish - that's why I disagree with his actions!

I don't disagree with his actions. Its his choice.

quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion The guy had an opportunity to get off with "penalty no harsher than the loss of a month's pay, possible revocation of his pilot's licence and a short term of house arrest"! However, he's opted for a full court martial in an effort to clear his name completely. However, if found guilty again the penalties are guaranteed to be much harsher. That's either very brave or very stupid. I've picked the latter, but your mileage may vary.

Ah, but if he's got something on his actions that pin the blame elsewhere, then he is found innocent.

Believe it or not FrustratedPoet, some innocent people actually end up in court.

Some even end up in jail.

But very rarely are they up against an organisation like USAF in court - no jury.

He's either very sure he's got a fighting chance - or he really is a maniac.

	26-06-2003 18:59									#12
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quote: Believe it or not FrustratedPoet, some innocent people actually end up in court. Some even end up in jail.

Exactly! I thought that was what I was saying...... ?
Why would he want to take the risk that *he* might be the next person this happens too? They offered him the chance to walk away with just a slap on the wrist, but he declined.



Why are we arguing? It sounds as if you agree with me.

	26-06-2003 19:06									#13
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet quote: Believe it or not FrustratedPoet, some innocent people actually end up in court. Some even end up in jail. Exactly! I thought that was what I was saying...... ? Why would he want to take the risk that *he* might be the next person this happens too? They offered him the chance to walk away with just a slap on the wrist, but he declined. Why are we arguing? It sounds as if you agree with me.

You agree? You side with the family's wanting his liver on a stick, call the guy a weasel and then say we're in perfect harmony?

If that's your idea of harmony... man, I never want to jam with you.

	26-06-2003 19:38									#14
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Obviously I'm misunderstanding you somewhere then. It seems to me that we agree that the possible (likely?) punishment he will get for his court martial is terrible. 64 years in a military prison? That's awful.

For that very reason I'm saying that he should have accepted the previous very light punishment he was given - yes it was very light - and just got on with his life.

To push for a full court martial seems to be inviting a life-time imprisonment, which is why I think he's being a fool.

	26-06-2003 19:41									#15
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Obviously I'm misunderstanding you somewhere then. It seems to me that we agree that the possible (likely?) punishment he will get for his court martial is terrible. 64 years in a military prison? That's awful. For that very reason I'm saying that he should have accepted the previous very light punishment he was given - yes it was very light - and just got on with his life. To push for a full court martial seems to be inviting a life-time imprisonment, which is why I think he's being a fool.

Not foolish for a pilot to fight for his wings.

Not foolish for a soldier to fight for his pride.

And if he wins - well, no punishment at all.

	26-06-2003 19:43									#16
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he's got balls, though.