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King
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"You have reached the pinnacle of success as soon as you become uninterested in money, compliments, or publicity." - Thomas Wolfe

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So dead people are successful huh?

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So dead people are successful huh?


I think the quote assumes the person is alive.

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What if you're wrong?

Anyway, what's so great about the pinnacle of success? Once you are there it's all down hill anyway.

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"You have reached the pinnacle of success as soon as you become uninterested in money, compliments, or publicity." - Thomas Wolfe

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Sounds like a nursing home.

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Anyway, what's so great about the pinnacle of success? Once you are there it's all down hill anyway.


But isn't life about finding success or happiness? Isn't it the purpose of life?

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But isn't life about finding success or happiness? Isn't it the purpose of life?


If it is, most people have crap lives...

Maybe the pursuit is what life is about, not the actual gaining of success.

Anyway, even if was talking about living people, where does that leave the insane, coma cases and CJD sufferers? They're hardly celebrity material - well, maybe one or 2 celebrities fit in those cases but it's not like they're great interviw subjects on chat shows.

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Got spare money?

It would be nice to have some background on this guy to judge his words. Was he successful at anything?

Sorry to be lame, the name doesn't ring a bel.

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It would be nice to have some background on this guy to judge his words. Was he successful at anything?

Sorry to be lame, the name doesn't ring a bel.


Wolfe was a famous 20th century writer. Full bio here, http://library.uncwil.edu/wolfe/wolfe.html

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if you think you've achieved the pinnacle of success, you haven't

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The bum that lives behind the 7-11 is the most successful guy I know then! Wow!

Thomas Wolfe

Funny how some quotes on life actually have a lifespan, and some don't.

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by the way, if you search for a tom wolfe, you'll hit two different people, both relatively famous authors.

thomas wolfe was earlier, and didn't write "the right stuff", "a man in full", or "the electric kool-aid acid test"
tom wolfe did. and tom wolfe wears white suits.

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The bum that lives behind the 7-11 is the most successful guy I know then! Wow!


The quote is not saying that only the poor and the unknown are succesfull. It is saying that you can be successful without obsessing about money or popularity.

The person who is content with his job and his life will probably be happier than the person who obsesses about not making enough money or not getting invited to enough social events. That is what the quote is about, IMO.

Just look at the Hollywood celebrities. They have millions of dollars, live in amazing houses, and are worshipped by thousands of adoring fans, and yet many of them are absolutely miserable.

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I agree in general principle with the quote. I doubt bums of the street are uninterested about money.

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I agree that success has to do with contentment, and the bum gets by... I don't know, though, if success is contentment when happiness is... If I could be content with being a loser that does not make me a success, just a successful loser and a happy ignoramous...

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The quote never speaks of contentment". All is says is that if you are still driven to gain more money, more compliments or publiity, you have probalby not yet reached what you personaly would believe to be success.

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I would agree with that. Success is relative.

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The quote is not saying that only the poor and the unknown are succesfull. It is saying that you can be successful without obsessing about money or popularity.

The person who is content with his job and his life will probably be happier than the person who obsesses about not making enough money or not getting invited to enough social events. That is what the quote is about, IMO.

Just look at the Hollywood celebrities. They have millions of dollars, live in amazing houses, and are worshipped by thousands of adoring fans, and yet many of them are absolutely miserable.


How many of these celebs give away their wealth, throw off their family ties, and go be happy bums behind 7-11s then?

Not many. Gee, you'd have thought THEY might have read this guy.

After careful consideration, I have to admit that he's right - if you are happy, then it's pointless to want those 3 things.

Mind you, next time the sh1t hits the fan and you suddenly aren't happy anymore, they become important pretty quick.

And is it the one who wrote "the electric kool-aid acid test" which I have heard of, or the one who didn't?

I'm still none the wiser. Is it Thom or Thomas? You quote shows Tom, the website shows Thomas, and I'm left thinking a guy I might be teneously aware of wrote something I learned the hard way anyway.

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You know Thomas Wolfe lived and wrote his novels in my hometown.

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After careful consideration, I have to admit that he's right - if you are happy, then it's pointless to want those 3 things.

Mind you, next time the sh1t hits the fan and you suddenly aren't happy anymore, they become important pretty quick.


The quote says nothing of happiness, it addresses success... I, for one, deliniate those two things differently. I view success as away to bring hapiness through those 3 things. Not having to worry about those 3 things sure ca bring happiness, that's for sure, but it does not equate to succes in my opinion, nor does it gaurentee hapiness.

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No I don't. I'd never heard of the guy till 3 and a half hours ago.

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thorn, which wolfe?

the quote is by the one who didn't write the electric kool-aid acid test, iirc.

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This Wolfe

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wow, i must be more tired than i thought... i forgot you could see where a poster was from by looking under his name.

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