27-06-2003 01:24									#31
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quote: Studies of pregnant teens show consistently higher rates of abuse, ranging from a low of 22 percent to a high of 41.5 percent

Well, that's why we need to do more for the mothers to make sure they are protected from abusive boyfriends, and family that would prefer them to abort.

	27-06-2003 03:10									#32
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Finally, we don't have accurate results of abortion mortality due to the fact that abortion doctors have a vested interest in not reporting.

Bit of an unsupported strawman here, eh?

What vested interest? Doctors who perform abortions are under the same ethical and professional registration rules, as well as the same malpractice standards, as all other MDs in the same licensing jurisdiction.

So either they all have a vested interest in non-reporting, or there must be some special rule that doesn't apply, but that you haven't bothered to cite. Oh, and how do you get around the fact that the official reporting isn't done by the treating MD's, but by pathologists and public health officials?

	27-06-2003 12:13									#33
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quote: What vested interest? Doctors who perform abortions are under the same ethical and professional registration rules, as well as the same malpractice standards, as all other MDs in the same licensing jurisdiction.

Are they? First off, a girl who wants an abortion can consent for one even though she cannot consent for any other medical procedure. Abortion clinics, until recently, did not need to have the same standards of care required for emergency surgery simply because they are abortion clinics.

Secondly, most of our statistics regarding maternal mortality in the US come from two sources, the CDC and Planned Parenthood.

From the book I have in front of me:

"CDC reports combine maternal deaths by miscarriages and induced abortions into a single category and these combined numbers are accepted as accounting for all maternal deaths, even though demographic research recognises that there is a systematic underreporting."

For instance many maternal deaths from ectopic pregnancies and other causes are not recorded as related to abortion.

We cannot, just from the CDC numbers, tell how many deaths are due to abortion, because of the way they report maternal deaths.

Also, the CDC's official statistics for 1999 show 12 per cent fewer abortions than does the AGI, so there clearly is room for underreporting in the CDC's numbers.

The main source for the CDC's underreporting comes from the system, that works differently for abortions, than for most other medical procedures.

1. The doctor who performs the abortion often will not deal with the complications from abortion. There is no requirement for the other doctor to ask the patient if she has had an abortion, or that her symptoms are abortion related.

Therefore, if the patient dies in the care of another physician, it becomes very difficult to trace the cause to abortion.

	27-06-2003 12:21									#34
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 She requires a guardian because she isn't capable of making the decision herself.

So how would anybody know that said guardian made the best decision for this woman?

	27-06-2003 12:37									#35
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Sorry to go off-topic, but what kind of sick **** rapes a retarded girl? Jesus, utterly depraved behavior like that has to get you into the really bad parts of hell, where you'll be tortured for all eternity alongside gay serial killers and communists. Hopefully this guy's already got a red-hot pitchfork up his ass, but we probably couldn't be that lucky.

	27-06-2003 12:38									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Sorry to go off-topic, but what kind of sick **** rapes a retarded girl?

Oh no, I agree with you.

All rapists are maggot infested piles of dung that should have their balls cut off.