27-06-2003 21:18									#31
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Yeah! The US has retrofitted a Boeing 747 with an experimental laser for testing. I also read they are doing simulator tests for a smaller laser that would retrofitted on F-16's. Now that is cool!

It could be cool,
if they could get it to work over more than just idealized experimental conditions

	27-06-2003 21:18									#32
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Why wouldn't you need a a 10^6per min bullet firing machine gun?

You quote me cutting out the answer to your question and ask me?

	27-06-2003 21:21									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Zero You quote me cutting out the answer to your question and ask me?

It wasn't a very good answer. What's wrong with more firepower?

	27-06-2003 21:36									#34
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Zylka is indeed the master. even Sava, that supposedly hates him, uses his methods, albeit in a very crude and unskilled manner.

	27-06-2003 23:14									#35
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Yay, a new and etter way to kill people. Just what the world needs.

	27-06-2003 23:21									#36
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quote: Yay, a new and etter way to kill people. Just what the world needs.

Hey, we need something to crush the coming communist revolution with. That's assuming, of course, that you pussies stop talking about the revolution and actually bring it.

	27-06-2003 23:22									#37
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This sounds like a load of old bollocks. I bet we never hear of this again.

	27-06-2003 23:30									#38
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Australia develops supergun?

Some people are just paranoid about illegal immigrants...

Anyway, not possible to sustain fire for very long. Too much heat.

It might TECHNICALLY have an ROF that high - I doubt it could maintain it.

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	28-06-2003 01:14									#39
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I wouldn't mind having one of these babies, but I doubt you could get a regular Joe soldier to use it effectively at first. Also, it's probably prohibitively expensive.

	28-06-2003 01:15									#40
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Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oy, Oy, Oy!

(Or Ozzie, Ozzie, Ozzie, depending )

	28-06-2003 01:24									#41
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Damn it.. they obviously stole this from my Punisher Weapon Systems. This is a copy of my Shotgun From Hell! Well mine wasn't very modern, but I wonder if I can sue these dudes!

	28-06-2003 01:26									#42
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SUE 'EM! Take Horsie for all he's got!

	28-06-2003 01:28									#43
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Maybe we can reach a settlement.. I don't sue them, and they'll buy my The Sleep Watcher Systems, so they can re-sell it to the Americans and few other countries. I could live with that.

	28-06-2003 01:30									#44
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What's the point?

1 milion rounds per minute is overkill of the worst sort, and a waste of rounds.

Nice gadget, but little better than that.

	28-06-2003 01:44									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Zero Why would u need a 10^6per min bullet firing machine gun? Some ppl think even MG42's firing rate is pointless.

well, for use as anti-personnel, as the MG-42 was, it would be pointoless, but this would be an awesome anti missile defense system.

	28-06-2003 01:51									#46
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I just thought of somethn. I dunno if any of yall are familiar with the Phalanx chain gun system...

US carrier fleets use them to protect the big vulnerable carrier from missile attacks. It basically works by having a 20mm vulcan cannon (im pretty sure this WAS the fastest firing gun previous along with the 7.62 'mini-gun' and 30mm... at over 60 rounds a second!) that is radar and computer controlled to track and shoot down missiles with depleted uranium shells.

Of course, missiles go very, very fasy, and there are a limited number of these per fleet, so a barrage of missiles I would think could overwhelm the Phalanx and take out a carrier.

However, with these, if mounted on an extremely fast motorized turret and run by an extremely fast processor, a carrier fleet, or any fleet for that matter, could become all but invulnerable to missile attack. That means the only way to hit ships in the future may be using the old fashioned Big Guns! This is somewhat exciting to me, as that may mean the age of the Battleship ( ) may be coming back to us in the future... tho instead of huge 16-18 in chemical propelled guns to penetrate the missile defenses, they'll be using rail guns that can hurle guided projectiles at over mach 12 and over 500 km...

	28-06-2003 01:53									#47
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Why then not just switch to nukes? You only have to come 2 miles in to explode a large themonuclear device and take out the ships anyway.

Or make better torpedoes to be launched from surface ships. These guns would not be that usefull againts them.

	28-06-2003 01:54									#48
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Why then not just switch to nukes? You only have to come 2 miles in to explode a large themonuclear device and take out the ships anyway.

nukes would percipitate a thermo nuclear war, where no one wins...

by using 'conventional' weapons, someone can still win

	28-06-2003 01:55									#49
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Not nukes being used far out at sea.

	28-06-2003 01:56									#50
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Torpedos would be better. Using nukes only increases the danger of escallation.

	28-06-2003 02:01									#51
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Torpedos would be better. Using nukes only increases the danger of escallation.

conventional torpedoes are all but obsolete, at least in fleet engagements. They are relatively short ranged, so the launching craft (ship or sub) must get pretty close... which is dangerous. US Fleets have a pretty effective anti-sub defense using helicopters with sonar bouys to hunt them down and kill them before they can even get close.

quote: Not nukes being used far out at sea.

I guess it depends on the policy of the time, but I know at least during the Cold War it was made pretty clear that the use of Nukes at all in any case would warrant a massive retaliation... which I agree with entirely. Its this mutual policy of the nuclear powers that have kept the use of nukes to a 0 since the nuclear club gained more than 1 member in '47

	28-06-2003 02:02									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Zero Why would u need a 10^6per min bullet firing machine gun? Some ppl think even MG42's firing rate is pointless.

quote: Originally posted by GePap What's the point? 1 milion rounds per minute is overkill of the worst sort, and a waste of rounds. Nice gadget, but little better than that.

BECAUSE!!!!
You know how much the U.S loves the whole Shock and Awe treatment... And I for one know, that if one million bullets came flying at me, it would be enough to shock the crap right out of me.



Isn't one of the fastest weps (befor this) the Vulcan gun mounted to the anti tank planes fireing at a rate of 3,600 Rates per minutes??!?! Saw this on the History channel "tales of the gun" and just curious, how do you go from a 3,600 to 1,000,000 per minute?!?!?!?!?!? shouldn't there be some nice middle ground?

	28-06-2003 02:04									#53
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To expand on my point about 'conventional' torpedos, i quote that because the US and russian navies have both researched new speical torpedos that can go over mach 5 or something insane like that. Those would be effective still against a modern fleet. They work by emitting gas out of a speacial nozzel in the tip... these gas bubbles envelope the torpedo effectively incaseing it in an air-bubble under water. It then travels thru the water virtually frictionless, allowing it to achieve those insane speeds under water.

	28-06-2003 02:05									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman To expand on my point about 'conventional' torpedos, i quote that because the US and russian navies have both researched new speical torpedos that can go over mach 5 or something insane like that. Those would be effective still against a modern fleet. They work by emitting gas out of a speacial nozzel in the tip... these gas bubbles envelope the torpedo effectively incaseing it in an air-bubble under water. It then travels thru the water virtually frictionless, allowing it to achieve those insane speeds under water.

Have a link??? That would be a interesting read.

	28-06-2003 02:07									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman I just thought of somethn. I dunno if any of yall are familiar with the Phalanx chain gun system...

No, never heard of them. Chain guns are fitted to Apache's and the Bradley. Rotary cannon are what Phalanx uses.

	28-06-2003 02:07									#56
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i can look for one. I actually read about it in a popular science speacial edition book i got about the US military in the present, near future, and distant future. Ill look for a link tho

	28-06-2003 02:10									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Poogas Have a link??? That would be a interesting read.

heres a link on the "supercavitating" torpedo, havent read it, so dont know how good it is


article

quote: Rotary cannon are what Phalanx uses.

so sue me


EDIT: forgot link
EDIT 2: this article is about the russian version... The US version, according to my source, can go 15 km in 10 seconds

	28-06-2003 02:17									#58
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quote: Increasingly, the project looks to the United States, where most of its staff are now based and where it hopes to clinch sales to defense agencies and police forces next year.

He wants to sell these guns to american police?? Ok, sure the US has a bit of a crime problem, but maybe its a wise move to let at least a small part of town still intact after your gun-fight with some gangsters...

	28-06-2003 02:30									#59
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Kman, sorry to be a pedant - but a lot of folks get chain/rotary mixed up. They're both electrically driven so I guess they have that much in common.

Thanks for the link - I had guessed the Russki's were up to a high speed torp and wondered how far they had got.

	28-06-2003 02:35									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Kman, sorry to be a pedant - but a lot of folks get chain/rotary mixed up. They're both electrically driven so I guess they have that much in common. Thanks for the link - I had guessed the Russki's were up to a high speed torp and wondered how far they had got.

np... i guess there is a substancial difference, and i stand corrected.