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zylka = Sava = ?

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Australia develops supergun


So it's F*I*N*A*L*Y reached production. I think its inventor nearly went crazy as it took so long.

Basicaly it looks somehow like this o.o.o.o.o.o.
each o is bulet each . is electrical circuit to fire that bulet. That article talks about electronical locking, but it could be EASILY ridged. If you'd have possibility to ask author for demonstration ask him to fire all at once. There is aprox 5 - 15 cm distance between bulet when they are leaving barrels.

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Kman, sorry to be a pedant - but a lot of folks get chain/rotary mixed up. They're both electrically driven so I guess they have that much in common.

Thanks for the link - I had guessed the Russki's were up to a high speed torp and wondered how far they had got.

Russia developed it US stole it. Short history behind it.
Cavitating torpedoes were developed so countermeasures would be unimportant they are not awsomely precise you know.

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ridiculously impressive. stacking a million bullets end to end is a very very long string. it must fire them off at staggering speeds just to have the time to keep shooting

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When the first bullet in the stack is fired, the next bullet expands and locks into the barrel. This prevents high pressure and high temperatures that could prematurely ignite the gunpowder. When the “locked” bullet fires, decreased pressure allows it to fire as a conventional bullet. Metal Storm weapons have shot at rates up to 1 million rounds per minute from a 36-barrel weapon. A weapon’s actual capacity is about 540 rounds, depending on much ammunition can be loaded into it and the duration of firing.

OH HEAVENS! If a terrorist group gets hold of one of these, they'll be able to rip someone's torso off with .000006 seconds of rapid fire - then spend half an hour reloading and DO IT AGAIN!

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Zylka is indeed the master. even Sava, that supposedly hates him, uses his methods, albeit in a very crude and unskilled manner.


Isn't it cute? I must say I'm flattered, at the least

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OH HEAVENS! If a terrorist group gets hold of one of these, they'll be able to rip someone's torso off with .000006 seconds of rapid fire - then spend half an hour reloading and DO IT AGAIN!


Reload takes about 1 sec. Snap off the used barrell(s) and snap in a new set.

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To expand on my point about 'conventional' torpedos, i quote that because the US and russian navies have both researched new speical torpedos that can go over mach 5 or something insane like that. Those would be effective still against a modern fleet. They work by emitting gas out of a speacial nozzel in the tip... these gas bubbles envelope the torpedo effectively incaseing it in an air-bubble under water. It then travels thru the water virtually frictionless, allowing it to achieve those insane speeds under water.


I wonder if the tech for these supercavitating torpedoes could be applied to submarines? A sub is basically just a big torpedo in a sense. It should be possible to apply the tech to subs. It would make noise like crazy, and thus would lose its stealth, but it would have the advantage of insane speeds. Nothing could touch it.

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hmm... thats a very interesting point/idea I bet the Navy is already working on that for our next generation subs. you should see some of the next gerneration destroyers and cruisers they got on the drawing board... fearsome...

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I want one of these things on my ROOF!!!

*ahem* switches back to pacifist mode.

Thats the kind of thing that could really bring out the sociopath in all of us!

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you should see some of the next gerneration destroyers and cruisers they got on the drawing board... fearsome...


Have you seen the Sea Shadow? It's a stealth warship.

See pic:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...-shadow-bay.jpg

and,

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...adow-140417.jpg

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all 3 of those are wierd

and do we really need to keep doing this? aren't we about to enter a world of peace now that countries are joining and terrorists are dying?

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all 3 of those are wierd

and do we really need to keep doing this? aren't we about to enter a world of peace now that countries are joining and terrorists are dying?


No, we need to teach those Canadians a lesson.



My, how impolitic of me.

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I want one of these things on my ROOF!!!


You really hate pigeons, don't you.

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If you wiggled it around fast enough, that could be a HELL of an antipersonell weapon.

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Heard of this absolutely years ago, it's not new...

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They should do this for an artillery piece... hehe

That would be fun to watch

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Have you seen the Sea Shadow? It's a stealth warship.

See pic:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...-shadow-bay.jpg

and,

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...adow-140417.jpg


blah, the Sea Shadow is nothin...

The Leviathan class, which is still decades from productions, is of a trimaran design (similar to the sea shadow, but having a central hull as well) and HUNDREDS of meters long. Its main armament is, what elsebut two fantastic rail guns, ontop of an assortment of missiles and an army of unmanned underwater, surface, and aerial vehicles that are carried internally. Sooner, a stealth destroyer, similar looking to the sea shadow but much larger and more... err... utilitarian... should be around in about 2012ish. Hopefully they'll have some of these Aussi metal storm thingies on 'em to protect against missile attack.

the sea shadow was mostly just a prototype to see if stealth ship tech could work. other than that it is currently a pretty pointless vessel

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I can't friggin' believe it. A grenade laucnher with a million rpm... give Al-Quaeda one such thing, and they'd need a column of Tanks to dispatch of the threat.


You have to realize that such a gun could not hold a million rounds, the article said it could hold about 560 rounds. The million rpm is that the gun itself could handle such a high rate of fire, but other factors would limit the actuall rpm.

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Provost, so what if it's not new? Because you know, no one else needs to know?

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mr. president, we must not allow a metalstorm gap!

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Looks like some kind of media hyping for the device. I am highly skeptical of such claims.

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When the first bullet in the stack is fired, the next bullet expands and locks into the barrel.


More crap.

I am amused that it is claimed that the next bullet gets into the barrel. Yowzas!

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I wonder if the tech for these supercavitating torpedoes could be applied to submarines? A sub is basically just a big torpedo in a sense. It should be possible to apply the tech to subs. It would make noise like crazy, and thus would lose its stealth, but it would have the advantage of insane speeds. Nothing could touch it.


One word: power.

You simply cannot get enough power for either the torpedoes or the subs to go that first to begin with.

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Provost, so what if it's not new? Because you know, no one else needs to know?


No, you should already know too

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More crap.

I am amused that it is claimed that the next bullet gets into the barrel. Yowzas!


Now don't take this wrong, I'm gunna enlighten yous.

The way this thing works is that ALL the projectiles (read bullets) are PRELOADED along with the propellant. And the way it fires is that the projectile at the end of the barrel is eletronically fired by setting off it's propellant. This causes the preceeding projectile in the barrel to momentarily flex causing it to trap the propellant gases in front of it. This forces the fired projectile to exit the barrel. Milliseconds later the preceeding projectile, now the front most projectile relaxes and it's propellant can be electronically ignited.

Think of a barrel with 64 projectiles preloaded (along with 64 bits of propellant). What gives you the great firing rate is that you only have to wait for the projectile to relax from firing of the frontmost propellant and you can fire the next projectile. Also, because all barrels are preloaded with munitions, you don't need munitions changing equipment, so you simply gang many barrels together - as many as you want.

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Sounds like you have to develop a fast Barrel Changing Equipment though, to exchange spent Barrels against loaded ones.

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It wasn't a very good answer. What's wrong with more firepower?


its not effective

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well, for use as anti-personnel, as the MG-42 was, it would be pointoless, but this would be an awesome anti missile defense system.


yeah exactly

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The way this thing works is that ALL the projectiles (read bullets) are PRELOADED along with the propellant. And the way it fires is that the projectile at the end of the barrel is eletronically fired by setting off it's propellant. This causes the preceeding projectile in the barrel to momentarily flex causing it to trap the propellant gases in front of it.


The barrel is metallic yes? That means if you pass a current through the barrel to "eletronically fire" some propellant the whole barrel will be electricfied, igniting all the explosives inside.

Here are some interesting questions:

1. How do you embed and control electronics in a metallic gun barrel that could reach hundreds of degrees in temperature?

2. What causes a projectile to "flex?" I am assuming "flex" means "expand," not bend or deform.

3. How do you prevent the explosives inside the barrel from going off due to a rise in temperature?

4. Normally, guns cannot be fired over a certain rate because overheating of the barrel will cause jamming. How is this problem solved?

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Milliseconds later the preceeding projectile, now the front most projectile relaxes and it's propellant can be electronically ignited.


Metal does not just flex and relax of its own accord. What causes the projectile to "relax?"

 
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