30-06-2003 08:31									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui See that's your problem . You don't think passions play a part in thinking... in decision making. Of course it's an important part! The brain uses its passion and emotion in decision making! Hell, most of the far left on this site is based on passion, but I wouldn't say they didn't think! When's the last time a Harvard or Yale professor ran the country . It's one thing to be a member of the intelligensia, quite another to actually rule and make the decisions for the country.

The intelliegensia trains the people who run the country, at elast most of them. As for "running the place", the president makes the final decisions, but staffers and underlings set the agenda as much as him. The presidents staff is key, and mot much of ti comes form anywhere in the deep south. (lots of texans, but they are texans).

And no, I can think of no big ideas or movements or philosophies coming out of the south and taking the US by storm. The progressive movement that was central through the late 40's and 50's came form the Northeast and Midatlantic. The conservative revolution came from the west. The south pet notion died in the 60's and 70's, and now at most they can claim biblical fundamentalism as the big political movement from the south. To me biblical fundamentalism isn't much of a thinking man's movement.

	30-06-2003 08:42									#122
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quote: The conservative revolution came from the west.

Only if you think Goldwater & Reagan were the only founders of the conservative movement.

quote: The south pet notion died in the 60's and 70's

Mainly because of two Southerners (MLK, jr and LBJ).

quote: To me biblical fundamentalism isn't much of a thinking man's movement.

Yet look at the power it has gained over the country. Don't tell me that smart people weren't at the head of that movement to make it spread so.

	30-06-2003 09:12									#123
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Imran's exactly right. The South does run the country.

	30-06-2003 11:15									#124
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar The south is the penis of our little republic. Stupid and irrational - i.e. hung up on evangelical mystical crap instead of reason. Moreover, much like a penis it seeks to be the brain. Bush is just a hard-on so to speak - displacing the power of the reasonable people in the country in favor of religious zealots and market fundamentalists.

That's the unfortunate truth.

	30-06-2003 11:17									#125
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the south is the poorest area of the country, it should be noted though... also southern states have the highest numbers of cases of gonnerhea and other venereal diseases per capita...

	30-06-2003 11:31									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It's not like you can't tell Atlanta is in the south anymore!

More and more so everyday, it is. The major southern cities: Atlanta, Charlotte, and even Mobile are socio-culturally removed from The South. The South's voting power is substantial but the interests those votes represent continue to change.

	01-07-2003 06:37									#127
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Amazed at how weird this thread became.

AND unpleasantly surprised with the anti-Midwest jokes.

Ok, Slowwhand -- now I know a lot better how you feel with the anti-South bullsh*t.

	01-07-2003 06:44									#128
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quote: Ok, Slowwhand -- now I know a lot better how you feel with the anti-South bullsh*t.

See... all it takes is a mile in one's shoes .

	01-07-2003 06:45									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Ok, Slowwhand -- now I know a lot better how you feel with the anti-South bullsh*t. See... all it takes is a mile in one's shoes .

But please, I beg of you -- not another mile of this.

	01-07-2003 06:50									#130
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See... you think your little area is a slice of heaven, then a big bad guy from another part says your place sucks, even though he's never been there.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, ya?

	01-07-2003 06:58									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui See... you think your little area is a slice of heaven, then a big bad guy from another part says your place sucks, even though he's never been there. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, ya?

I'm never going to hear the end of it now, am I?

	01-07-2003 07:03									#132
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From me you are... but I wouldn't bet on what Slow is gonna do .

	01-07-2003 08:50									#133
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Fundies are idiots, the south is a slumhole.

Minneaplois is the brains.

	01-07-2003 16:35									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui From me you are... but I wouldn't bet on what Slow is gonna do .

Is there a good hiding place on Apolyton?

	01-07-2003 18:28									#135
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The South!

-=Vel=-

	01-07-2003 18:34									#136
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Imran:

quote: It's one thing to be a member of the intelligensia, quite another to actually rule and make the decisions for the country

Bush the Elder was really a Mainer. He was only a Texan for tax purposes. Both co-presidents Clinton have shown their true Yankee stripes as dyed in the wool New Yorkers. During their term they hung out on Martha's Vineyard. Reagan was as Californian as one can get. Who does that leave?: GBII and an ineffective peanut farmer. Egads, you can have 'em!

Oh and btw, the most important Americans ever were from Maine - the 20th Maine to be precise.

	01-07-2003 18:38									#137
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20th Maine!!! A school teacher named Chamberlain, if memory serves, fought one of the best small engagements ever.

-=Vel=-

	01-07-2003 23:10									#138
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quote: Originally posted by GePap "the Heartland" = America That one seem a keeper, no matter how obnoxious.

Manhattan = New York City

	01-07-2003 23:23									#139
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who runs things:

Cabinet: rummy from Illinois. Ashcroft Missouri. Ridge from New Jersey (theres one for the Northeast, but not Ivy, I think) Snow - cant recall his origin - corporate guy who moved around alot i think. Powell - NYC (NOT manhattan) but career military, so its been a long time since he hung out in the Bronx. Condi Rice - California.
Congress - Hastert - Illinois, but real power is Delay Texas. Pelosi - Calif. Daschle - SD. Frist - Tenn.
Technology - Well California, first and foremost. Massachusetts, but also northern Virginia, Oregon, Texas.
Finance - well NYC of course, but also Chicago, and North Carolina.

Lots of southern boys and girls go to Harvard and Yale, and then head to DC, or back to the South, or even to the New York Times (heaven help us!) to run things. Its just difficult to move universities, or start new ones - theyre not like, say, banks.

	01-07-2003 23:28									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Fundies are idiots, the south is a slumhole. Minneaplois is the brains.

do you people really think every southerner is a fundie? the south is home of the oldest catholic diocese in the US (St. Augustine) and the oldest Reform Jewish congregation (Charleston, SC) not to mention loads of episcopalians and other mainstream protestants, and even an occasional agnostic or two. And a heck of a lot of Hindu motel keepers. And black churches like Martin Luther Kings church in Atlanta.

Maybe y'all should get out a bit more?

	01-07-2003 23:32									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Carver More and more so everyday, it is. The major southern cities: Atlanta, Charlotte, and even Mobile are socio-culturally removed from The South. The South's voting power is substantial but the interests those votes represent continue to change.

Yeah well is New York City culturally close to Syracuse, Pennsylvania Dutch country, or New Hampshire. Id venture the Southern cities are more socio-culturally rooted in their regions than most other large American cities, largely cause theyve been settled by domestic migrants more than immigrants.

BTW, i lived in Jacksonville, FL, and it was VERY southern. Ask Guevara.

	02-07-2003 05:49									#142
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quote: BTW, i lived in Jacksonville, FL, and it was VERY southern. Ask Guevara.

One of my friends is from Jacksonville and he says that it's in south Georgia, not Florida.