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Don't you just hate it, when somebody makes a clone of a real good game, but also takes the originality award for it?
I remember having played a lot of Dune 2, a truly unique game, then C&C was released... it was a clone of Dune 2, except that they have ripped some of the good parts of Dune 2, but still it felt just like a very bad clone of this original game... The only thing it had, that was better than Dune 2, was the graphics (Dune 2 was a pretty old game at that time)...
I started playing C&C a little, but as I read in some game magazine, some "C&C clone" is on the way, I go like "WTF!!!", since that day I had really hated C&C and all it's sequels, for taking the originality award from Dune 2 
I think I also once read, Dune 2000 was "just another C&C clone"  
It's also the same with Scorched Earth (released 1995)... Scorched Earth is just a clone of Scorched Tanks (released 1994)... now why does everybody refer to Scorched Earth, when talking about this type of game? Scorched Earth was just another clone, so why does it get the originality award 
Sure, you can play more players in Scorched Earth, but if that was what made it original, then they should have chosen Charr, which was released before Scorched Earth, but after Scorched Tanks. It had just as many players as Scorched Earth, but more weapons...
The only other reason I can find, is Scorched Tanks and charr was never released to the PC, as far as I know 
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Originally posted by DrSpike
Hehe you really have a thing about the competition. 
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Not really, I just hate when somebody takes the credit of somebody else... Sure, both games are from the same creator (as far as I know)...
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Originally posted by DrSpike
I agree about the Dune2 point though..........although I would say most knowledgeable gamers acknowledge Dune2 as the innovator. |
I guess I have to find a knowledgeable gamer then... I only know very few people, who actually knows Dune... but they don't know Dune 2, only 2000
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I wouldn't say C&C is a clone, it's more like an evolutionary next step. A clone is (almost) indistinguishable from the original, which isn't really the case with C&C. |
Evolutionary? In which way? Sure, it has some different graphics, different units, but that's not what makes games revolutionary... it even killed the uniqueness of the different nations/houses
Ok, by looking at the latest C&C, then you might be right, there's a big difference between that, and Dune 2... but we're talking about the first C&C that was released
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Originally posted by Azazel
You can select a whole bunch of units.
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Wouldn't call that a "big step", since it "had to come" anyway...
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Originally posted by Azazel
You build from a panel, not by clicking on a building and selecting.
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Wouldn't call that evolutionary either, since it's not necesary a good step (For some games it's good, for some games it's not)
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Originally posted by Azazel
Much richer maps and enviroments.
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...and this credit should go to those who makes the computers... Computers at that time was much better than computers at the Dune 2 time...
There already existed games, that had much richer maps and enviroment...
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Originally posted by Azazel
Completely different story.
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There's a different story between Duke 3D and Redneck Rampage also, but RR didn't become evolutionaire...
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Originally posted by Azazel
Much better graphics,
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You do know there has been many years between the first C&C game, and Dune 2? If they had made Dune 3 instead of C&C, the same thing would have happened anyway, because graphic cards was getting better anyway...
Credit can't go to C&C for this one... and there was already games with just as good graphics on the market at that time anyway...
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Originally posted by Azazel
Different sides REMAIN. unless you didn't actually play the game. Sides are much MORE different in C&C than in Dune 2. |
I might be mistaking here, but as far as I remember, one of the first things I complained about, was the lack of difference between the nations... Sure, they had different stories/backgrounds, but in gameplay there wasn't much different...
The bottom line is:
I can't see how this game was evolutionary in any way... Computers got better, which gave more options, than there was at the time of Dune 2... and C&C wasn't the first game to use these new better computers in games...
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Insigna
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Battletech 2: The Cresent Hawks Revenge
now that is original, almost RTS and made before dune II
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