29-06-2003 02:56									#1
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ND offers spices. Luxuries are worthless to us unless we get several luxes simultaneously, so I'm declining.

	29-06-2003 02:58									#2
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Vox offers peace, RoP and D'Ville.

A reminder to Nathan: if and when we accept peace with Vox, we will have to increase lux spendings to 20% to compensate for the loss of war unweariness.

	29-06-2003 03:01									#3
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I just realized something.
We can't accept peace with Vox this turn, or else our cities will go into anarchy right now, before we can increase the lux slider.
We'll have to notify Vox and ask them to make the same proposal the next turn, thus allowing us time to prepare.

	29-06-2003 03:57									#4
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So we have a trade route set up?

	29-06-2003 04:14									#5
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If ND is not in war with Vox, then they can trade through Vox's territory even though we are at war (in-game) with Vox.

	29-06-2003 04:38									#6
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That's a good sign. Anyone want to discuss trade treaties with Bob?

	29-06-2003 04:47									#7
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Shouldn't there be some diplo exchange with ND as to why we refused?

	29-06-2003 05:13									#8
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Naturally, there will have to be. I'll write something short in a second.

	29-06-2003 06:16									#9
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Well written.

	29-06-2003 06:31									#10
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Thanks

	29-06-2003 20:31									#11
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We've got about two hours left to play.

	29-06-2003 20:44									#12
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What are the issues / questions?

	29-06-2003 22:14									#13
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I have the save open; sorry about taking so long. I assume I should move the luxury slider up a notch so we can accept Dissidentville next turn?

	29-06-2003 22:19									#14
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If we decide to block RP's exploration, our logical approach is to station ships at Sufa 1-1, 1-2, and 2-2. We'll be there in two turns.

	29-06-2003 22:25									#15
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I reinforced Elipolis with four pikes from Inchon, mostly as extra protection against culture flips. I also moved two of our galleys through Elipolis to Elipolis 9-9. I figure one of them can scout down the east coast and the other can scout up and eventually around north of North Stormia.

The galley I'd planned to have move into RP waters pulled back in to shore to pick up a couple pikes. One is loaded now and the other will be before the galley moves out again next turn.

Our galley that's been exploring in between northern Stormia and Bob spotted a GoW galley.

I moved our whole stack of horsemen and WCs from Arashi to Bolderberg to keep them close to RP's galley.

	29-06-2003 22:43									#16
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Turn sent. When I zoomed out for the screenshot, I realized something. We may possibly have a Great Lighthouse crossing to Lego available. We can see part of their land mass off to the northeast, but the side of the coastline closer to us hadn't been explored yet as of when we got our Lego map.

	29-06-2003 23:00									#17
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Nathan, can you send me the start-of-turn save, and your precise actions for this turn? I'd like to get back "into" the game a little more viscerally... thanks.

richard at podos dot net

	30-06-2003 00:03									#18
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I forwarded the save to my list. I think you should be able to recreate my moves with reasonable accuracy from my descriptions and the screenshot. One thing I might mention is that I irrigated the former EotS plains closest to Tempest. I'm thinking in terms of adding two workers next turn, one to work that tile and the other to work (probably) an irrigated desert incense.

	30-06-2003 01:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay I reinforced Elipolis with four pikes from Inchon, mostly as extra protection against culture flips.

We'll need 8 units to avoid all culture flips there, if our total culture is half theirs (I think it's little over half)... we'll need 4 in D-ville, once we get it.

DeepO

	30-06-2003 01:14									#20
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BTW, do we want to disband Elipolis, and relocate it a bit further away? If so, shouldn't we try to get some food in there? (or am I missing something, and do we still lack a road, meaning no lux in Elipolis?)

DeepO

	30-06-2003 06:14									#21
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Our road goes through Dissidentville, so until we have Dissidentville, we can't get luxuries to Elipolis. So if we don't make the only laborer in Elipolis a specialist, we have riots. We'll probably end up having to abandon Elipolis without trying to produce a worker/settler in the process. (By the way, is it still possible to disband with a worker these days? I tried it in AU 402 and the city just sat there waiting to grow so it could build a worker.)

	30-06-2003 13:51									#22
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To disband with a worker/settler, you have to set a citizen (all citizens?) to specialists, and the town is disbanded once the unit is finished, IIRC. Sorry if I'm telling you something you already know.

	30-06-2003 16:24									#23
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Why are we hoarding gold instead of using it to rush markets and get them sooner?

	01-07-2003 09:23									#24
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Our near-term expenses are (1) buying Education from Lego (if I'm remembering right about that being part of the plan), (2) buying Chivalry from GoW, and (3) rushing a courthouse in the city that replaces Elipolis so we can start accumulating shields toward a possible FP move there. We'll probably have enough gold to cover those when we get our next turn, but not with much left over.

To the extent that we want to rush improvements, I tend to view courthouses in outlying areas as the highest priority because courthouses help cities help themselves.

	01-07-2003 09:45									#25
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Agreed. Thanks for clarifying that.

	01-07-2003 21:48									#26
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my priority for rushing would indeed be courthouses, but also a granary in SS...

DeepO

	02-07-2003 03:33									#27
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And aquaducts where necessary.