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OneFootInTheGrave is offline OneFootInTheGrave
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http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993864



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Female virtual characters suffer from sexual inequality in financial matters, just like their real-world counterparts, according to a new study of the online game EverQuest.

EverQuest is inhabited by tens of thousands of internet gamers at any one time. Players choose a character to represent them in the role-playing world. These avatars can be male or female and one of many fantasy races such as elf or ogre. Once a character has built up experience and skills, some players then sell them for real cash through the internet auction site eBay.

"Holding all other characteristics equal, it turns out female avatars sell for about 10 per cent less than male avatars," says Edward Castronova, an economist at California State University at Fullerton, who examined the value of characters sold on eBay.

Overall, male avatars sold for an average of $346, while the generally lower skilled female ones went for $281. The discrepancy notably mirrors differences in wages earned by men and women in the real-world, says Castronova.

"This discount may stem from a number of causes," he told New Scientist, "including discrimination in Earth society and the maleness of the EverQuest player base."


Sex swap


Although the vast majority of EverQuest players are male, around 20 per cent of players choose a female avatar to represent them online.




Jason Rutter, a computer games researcher at Manchester University, UK, adds that the difference could also reflect differences in the way male and female characters are treated in the EverQuest game.

"In EverQuest, as well as other games, people respond to you differently based on your sex," Rutter told New Scientist. "There's a growing literature about how female gamers adopt male characters to stop getting hassled."

Trading characters and items from EverQuest on eBay has grown into a profitable sideline for some players, although the game's owner Sony has sought to put a stop to the practice.

In January 2002, Castronova calculated the average wage EverQuest players could in principle earn by trading all the items obtained in the game on eBay. He found the game's per-capita gross national product would be $2266. If it were a real country, EverQuest would then be the 77th wealthiest in the world, just behind Russia.



The diplomat is offline The diplomat
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Sep 1999
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Got spare money?

This is utterly stupid! What's the point?

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In January 2002, Castronova calculated the average wage EverQuest players could in principle earn by trading all the items obtained in the game on eBay. He found the game's per-capita gross national product would be $2266. If it were a real country, EverQuest would then be the 77th wealthiest in the world, just behind Russia.


i found this crazy!

JohnT is offline JohnT

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Mar 1999
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"Overall, male avatars sold for an average of $346, while the generally lower skilled female ones went for $281. The discrepancy notably mirrors differences in wages earned by men and women in the real-world, says Castronova."

Why doesn't this article trumpet that:

"Lower skilled people earn less than higher skilled ones!"

Or something? Oh, wait: That won't sell papers to the chronically offended.

VJ is offline VJ
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Dec 2001
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JohnT

Case closed, or so it seems.

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maybe its cos its a fantasy game, and how many fantasdty charachters or heroes have there been that were female?

though that is another can of worms in itself

Immortal Wombat is offline Immortal Wombat
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Dec 2000
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Nah, all things being equal, its simply a supply and demand thing. There are less people who want to have female avatars than want to have male avatars. Thus the males are more expensive.

I'd buy a female one

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Apr 1999
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Well, now we know not to take CSU Fullerton's Econ department seriously...

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In January 2002, Castronova calculated the average wage EverQuest players could in principle earn by trading all the items obtained in the game on eBay. He found the game's per-capita gross national product would be $2266. If it were a real country, EverQuest would then be the 77th wealthiest in the world, just behind Russia.


This is insane. I love it!

Sava is offline Sava
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Mar 2001
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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Everquest is for dumbasses

St Leo is offline St Leo
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Female avatars 0wn.

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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Supply and demand. There are not that many female players, so there wouldn't be as much a demand for female characters outside of the fat balding men who get their jollies out of that sort of thing. (Immortal Wombat )

Agathon is offline Agathon
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Dec 2002
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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

This is bull. No male characters in video games have bigger boobs than Lara Croft's.

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May 1999
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Yeah? Lara Croft has no balls.

tinyp3nis is offline tinyp3nis
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May 2002
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"Overall, male avatars sold for an average of $346, while the generally lower skilled female ones went for $281. The discrepancy notably mirrors differences in wages earned by men and women in the real-world, says Castronova."

Well, I think that "generally lower skilled" could just be a reminder that they are, not something they didn't think of when they tested because then this would be a lie:
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"Holding all other characteristics equal, it turns out female avatars sell for about 10 per cent less than male avatars,"



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"including discrimination in Earth society and the maleness of the EverQuest player base."

Both good options, just like when I buy mens clothes, I'm either discriminating againts all females or just ...

Pekka is offline Pekka
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I like lara croft.

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yes everquest is like real life. what a stupid comparison.

especially since many of those female characters are played by males.

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Smirnoff Ice is good for both genders.

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"Were women, so our lower skilled characters should as high as higher level male characters, or else its EVIL MALE DESCRIMINATION!!!!"

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I am actually suprised that they don't sell for more than male characters though.

we all know how perverted hardcore computer gamers are.

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What is this about? This is about Castronova finding a good prestige cow (writing econ. articles about Everquest, that is) and milking it for all it's worth.

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Tired of ads?

Why would someone buy an "avatar" ( I presume this means character) for 300+ bucks?!

Provost Harrison is offline Provost Harrison
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Feb 2000
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Put an end to popups!

Everrquest? What do they expect from a bunch of spotty geeks?

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There is much more lesbian porno, that gay porno. It's unequality.

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I am actually suprised that they don't sell for more than male characters though.

we all know how perverted hardcore computer gamers are.


Hey, at least I am not into furries. Well, not into the ugly furries anyway. I've seen a few se... never mind.

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