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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:29
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I went to EB games earlier this week and bought 1602 AD and Patrician II for 3.99 each (Civ 3 in the metal box was selling for 10 dollars each but i didnt bother getting it cause i thought it wouldnt work). I installed and played both games. 1602 could not keep my interest at all because it is first off, an ugly looking game, and secondly, just plain boring with nothing notable about it. I did get into Patrician for a few days and enjoyed trying to get a big profit and play pirate or pirate hunter (and i liked the feel of the game at first) but after a while, I got bored of that game. it got real tedious managing the various convoys and having to change up the ports they were visiting because price fluctuations (mainly because of me dumping a lot of goods at once I guess) made them unprofitable. so the game got old after less than a week playing it.
if anyone has either of these games, is there something to them that makes them fun for a long time and not just tedious? Also, many strategy games are just too damn easy (like Europa Universalis)... have i outgrown strategy games? I mean I didn't even play much Age of Kings or StarCraft either... there seems to be no new game that got the same addictive power as the first WarCraft and the first Age of Empires.
thanks
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Cruddy
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I have found that, in general, most strategy games have more flaws than others... they are harder to playtest, they let you do more (more variations to test) and so in general aren't as easy to balance out into a good final product.
Never played either of those... but I must admit, I got VERY picky about strat games some time ago. Maybe a slight change of direction towards sports management or maybe pure wargaming might be an idea...
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:29
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reds4ever:
I thought the idea for those two games was pretty good. I mean colonizing islands in 1602 and being a Hanseatic League merchant in Patrician and Patrician has some nice 'atmosphere' but they just became very tedious... i mean Patrician is ridiculous because you got to worry about at least a dozen ships going to a dozen different cities, buying and selling (and storing and taking out of storage) about thirty types of goods with very noticable price fluctuations, etc. and thats not even mentioning the threat of pirates, the building of your own industry (and buying and transporting goods for that), providing your home city with everything it needs, etc. really tedious game. felt more like work than a game.
Cruddy:
Sports management? you mean like the franchise mode in Madden? and what do you mean by wargaming? Close Combat games?
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:29
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and i can't under-exaggerate how great of a game Age of Empires was. I had downloaded the original demo and from when I loaded it and saw the mainscreen with primitive drumming music in the background and then loaded up the game and saw a small paleolithic Hittite village and watched as a lion chased a deer right through my village... maybe it was cause I was like 13 at the time, but that game amazed me (it's sequel never interested me that much though)
thanks
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:29
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Tuo:
no... turn-based games many times are even more tedious than real-time. at least with real-time, the developers know you can't have too much to do things(though I dont think the makers of Patrician realized this) but turn-based, they stick so many ridiculous options and things you have to do in the game that it is not fun at all.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:29
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Tuo:
I dont know... because while I loved AoE, I didn't care much for its sequel... but if i find it for 3.99, i'd get it... I think I saw it as EB games for 15 or so. a little too steep right now.
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Cruddy
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Hey Albert, ever try Harpoon? Harpoon 2 is buggy, Harpoon 3 is just the same game with the bugs taken out (only available from the creator) and Harpoon 4 should be awesome if it gets out.
Just wondered if you had run into the original... It's not great.. but am seriously looking forward to V4.
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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quote:
Originally posted by Albert Speer
I thought the idea for those two games was pretty good. I mean colonizing islands in 1602 and being a Hanseatic League merchant in Patrician and Patrician has some nice 'atmosphere' but they just became very tedious... i mean Patrician is ridiculous because you got to worry about at least a dozen ships going to a dozen different cities, buying and selling (and storing and taking out of storage) about thirty types of goods with very noticable price fluctuations, etc. and thats not even mentioning the threat of pirates, the building of your own industry (and buying and transporting goods for that), providing your home city with everything it needs, etc. really tedious game. felt more like work than a game. |
The problem is not with strategy games but with implementations of individual games. Some games have interesting premises, but totally screwed up on the details and the implementation. For example, Tropico.
I have not played Patrician, but it seems that, from your description, that the game got details at the wrong places, just like Tropico.
The best strategy games should be like Go.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:29
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UR, we all know the chinese love "go" like none other. its a commie plot i tell you!
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Cruddy
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quote:
Originally posted by MRT144
UR, we all know the chinese love "go" like none other. its a commie plot i tell you! |
I always thought the Chinese big strat game was MahJong.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:29
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mahjong is a great game. i love playing with all my chinkee friends. i always go for peng when i play though.
back in the day mao banned "go" because it he thought it would teach the youngins to rise up or some **** like that.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:29
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ive had 2 shots of jack.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Nope, too much luck involved. If you are really, really, good, your skill could account for 30%. |
yeah, and thats half the fun.
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