29-06-2003 11:12									#1
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If anyone decides to make thier own terrains, This Tool that I made up, is quite helpful. Since the terrain files xdgc, xdgp, xdpc, xggc, xpgc, xtgc, xdgp and the Water Times wCSO, wSSS and wOOO. follow the same pattern, but are hard to determine if you look at them one at a time...

Note: xdgc is what I used: desert, grassland, coast to make the file.
Heres a pic of what the 'terrain' file looks like, and then I'll post the file afterwards
EDIT: See new post

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Last edited by Bane Star on 29-06-2003 at 12:30

	29-06-2003 11:13									#2
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and for anyone who wants it... the file

Attachment: terraforma.rar
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Last edited by Bane Star on 29-06-2003 at 12:10

	29-06-2003 11:26									#3
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nice, thanks

	29-06-2003 12:32									#4
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Edited: Ok, what happened (in case you can be bothered to be interested..) I made up the original with about 20 or so colours, so it looked ok, but when I went to use it It sucks trying to 'edit off the other colours, So the new version has only 5 colours. Sorry to the 3 people who down-loaded the old version.

	29-06-2003 13:11									#5
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Now, in what file category does this fit?

	29-06-2003 14:29									#6
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Hehehe, I was wondering if you would deem this a movable thread, but since its a file designed for creators, and isn't usable in actual play, then maybe it stays here?? thanks man,.,.

	30-06-2003 01:36									#7
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Now, do you have the image number that goes with each in the BIC/X file?

With that, and this very easy to read graphic, I'll be a lot further along with my map test.

Thanks
BlueWlvrn

	30-06-2003 02:10									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Bane Star Hehehe, I was wondering if you would deem this a movable thread, but since its a file designed for creators, and isn't usable in actual play, then maybe it stays here?? thanks man,.,.

So are files in the category MODIFICATION. But I don't thing your graphics fit there. I guess it will have to stay here... At least for now.

	30-06-2003 05:21									#9
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quote: Originally posted by BlueWlvrn Now, do you have the image number that goes with each in the BIC/X file?

Wow, I dont know what that even is... but I'm curious.. please explain and maybe I'll know what your talking about,,.

	30-06-2003 08:17									#10
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Actually I figured it out.

In the bic/bix file, each tile of the map is defined. That definition contains the basic tile data as well as what graphic to use.

It turns out, the graphics grid, and the map grid, are offset.

code:

 /\
/  \
\/\/
/\/\
\  /
 \/

	30-06-2003 11:42									#11
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here is the old file

(dont download it as it is obselute)

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	01-07-2003 06:27									#12
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BlueWlvrn, that is true, but you can edit your map in the editor and see it change in 'real time'. Can you tell me why you would do it that way? (I used the editor to make my custom maps -- and PhotoShop to make my graphics).

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Warp:

I'm creating a new random map engine with a couple ideas I've been tossing about.

And as a side effect, I hope to be able to mirror it in a way to make "equal" start location maps for multiplayer.

But for the most part, I'm just tinkering.

	02-07-2003 02:45									#14
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That sounds cool. One that you could specifiy more settings would be awesome.

	02-07-2003 06:36									#15
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When you look at the graphics in the graphics pcx file, its somewhat hard to determine, This makes it hard to see which terrain is which when editing, but I forgot to explain how they work,

Good idea blue wyrm, a picture is worth a thousand words so Heres one of my old screen shots from when I was mid-map-editing.

In the centre is 4 Plains, The left Image shows the map grid and my colourd grid to show where the terrain images sit, then on the right is the terrain images via the file I've added above. At the time of this screen shot I had only edited Grasslands, repersented by the green number 2, The forest is no.3 and the plains no.1 ... hopefully you can see how the graphics are split up and why I needed to make the terrain file above to determine which terrain is which.

When you start looking at the coastal tiles they are pretty hard to see which are which since there is no uniformity, and many of them go inland too much (seen those forests off mid ocean or troops standing one foot on land and one in the water..)

Hope this helps

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	02-07-2003 08:53									#16
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Bane,

Once I figured out the offset of the pcx files from the game grid, your numbered pcx file was perfect.

Thanks for making that up, it also made it easier for me to come up with the simple formula for the image number used in the bic/bix files.

-BlueWlvrn

	06-07-2003 13:27									#17
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nice tool!