01-07-2003 21:08									#31
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	02-07-2003 02:54									#32
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quote: Originally posted by muxec To raghar: You said about poor and rich people and good and bad computers. But i should reply, that i can buy a supercomputer for a price of 3D Studio Max. And i must say that the developer would better sell million copies for few dollars, than few copies for 5000$

People that have need for 3D Max have often enough money to pay such price. They must pay for fast computer as well. I expect that some of this price is caused by CDzila.dll You know people who likes copy protection need to pay for it.
Another problem is users that are somewhat happy with current version of software and are unviling to pay for workable version when is finally avilable

	02-07-2003 07:32									#33
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I pay for software. I don't pay for music, tv, or movies.

I believe I am in the right ethically, but you are free to disagree.

	02-07-2003 07:38									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Really? What about bind and sendmail? Apache? Samba? OpenBSD? A bunch of GNU stuff?

These are free but they are also commodities.

Examples are the 134 different variations of "free" GNU FTP servers.

To get something both good and specialized you'll usually want to pay for it.

	02-07-2003 10:32									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker To get something both good and specialized you'll usually want to pay for it.

That's actually not in conflict of OSS philosophy.

For programs with very large user bases (OS, Internet infrastructure software, games, etc.) OSS produces excellent stuff.

For programs with limited audience, commercial stuff is probably the only way to go.

	02-07-2003 10:34									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov I think that no software can stand 19 year olds with motivation and enough ASM knowledge.

19 year olds with sufficient knowledge to crack a program are far and few between.

quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov But I think that if program developers lower their prices a bit (It's really not comparable to the music bussiness) they will find that many more people will be able to buy their products, and will want to.

True

	02-07-2003 11:14									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator I know, but this thread isn't about software theft, it's about the future of software. There are also plenty of them who also program for free (Perl, for instance). And you can argue about the quality of things like GNU/Linux, the GIMP, open-office (as Azazel mentioned) etc. but you can't say they aren't made by experienced programmers.

All of whom have some way of making a living.

Another aspect not listed is in distributed software. I'm developing an n-tier product/services bundle where one tier is on my servers. Consumer software is in an entirely different category from enterprise software, but it's not at all impossible that the proliferation of bandwidth and high speed connections will allow for some components to be accessed only remotely, and for validation of the locally installed portion of the software to occur each time it loads.

	02-07-2003 11:24									#38
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Why you going n-tier MTG?

Why not go with a browser based portal and put everything on the server?

	02-07-2003 12:06									#39
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I have real high local processing loads, dynamic localization, and UI issues on the client side, plus e-document processing and creation, where all the server cares about is summary data, but the client wants to print lots of pretty paper.

On the other side, I need multiple server tiers anyway - on-site data acquisition servers, (each licensed by different customers), but some clustering of data that originally is "owned" by different enterprises using those different servers.

About 70% of my stuff is server-side with an ASP.NET portal, but about 30% is client side - all the calculation and query intensive near real time crap.

	02-07-2003 12:27									#40
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hi ,

" 1. Computers taxes. All PC/Mac owbers would be taxed by the goverment and would get all software for a free. Those who don't pay lose their computer. The goverment pays to the software developers according to the usage rate of the software. "

that sounds like a serious breach of rights , ..... and freedom

nah , its never going to work , it draws in against the values of a serious economy , ......

have a nice day

	02-07-2003 15:32									#41
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[qoute]that sounds like a serious breach of rights , ..... and freedom [/quote] There is a TV tax here (in Israel). And it realatively works.

	03-07-2003 00:47									#42
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quote: Originally posted by muxec [qoute]that sounds like a serious breach of rights , ..... and freedom

There is a TV tax here (in Israel). And it realatively works. [/QUOTE]

hi ,

you cant compare that , ......

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	03-07-2003 00:53									#43
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panag,
hi,

I can compare it just because it's the same thing

have a nice day

	03-07-2003 01:01									#44
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quote: Originally posted by muxec panag, hi, I can compare it just because it's the same thing have a nice day

hi ,

nah it aint , .......

for one it draws in against the laws of freedom , the laws of making money , R&D , .......

and there is the fact that a tv aint a comp , ......

but you could get around that , .....

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	03-07-2003 01:25									#45
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hi,

Can you please explain what did you mean? Did you mean that TV-companies are controled by the government?

have a nice day

	03-07-2003 01:34									#46
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quote: Originally posted by muxec hi, Can you please explain what did you mean? Did you mean that TV-companies are controled by the government? have a nice day

hi ,

to some extend yes , radio and channel licence , money for public broadcasts , etc , ......

but there is a huge differnce between a tv , thats only for watching tv as its right now , and a comp , if the gov is in control we gona see something that aint good , instead of advance we shall go backwards , .....

a gov should not be in control of your comp or whats in it to start with , .....

paying your tv tax aint a breach of freedom or privacy , the system of tv tax aint that bad since the money goes back into the funding and support of it , ....

you cant do this with a comp , lets say you want an old comp with an old program , but the gov says no , ....

if you dont like whats on tv , you get either a dish or switch the channel , .....

have a nice evening

	03-07-2003 01:42									#47
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Government's answer - tax the bandwidth

	03-07-2003 01:46									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Myrddin Government's answer - tax the bandwidth

hi ,



dont bring them on ideas , the EU has since yesterday a tax on all goods that are sold true the net , ......

they should not tax anything anymore , they get a tax from it , thats normal , you pay tax on your isp and telephone bill , but no special tax or and extra , no way , ......

its wrong no more taxes

aldo we may not complain , sales tax in the EU is a min of 21% , ..... and then we complain , .....

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	03-07-2003 11:46									#49
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quote: paying your tv tax aint a breach of freedom or privacy , the system of tv tax aint that bad since the money goes back into the funding and support of it , ....

hi,

But the problem is the same that with software/illegal music. They can not disconnect me from TV. And the second aspect that a lot of people simly dont need Israeli chanels just because they watch only English, Russian or Arabic chanels.

have a nice day

	03-07-2003 11:49									#50
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , dont bring them on ideas , the EU has since yesterday a tax on all goods that are sold true the net , ...... they should not tax anything anymore , they get a tax from it , thats normal , you pay tax on your isp and telephone bill , but no special tax or and extra , no way , ...... its wrong no more taxes aldo we may not complain , sales tax in the EU is a min of 21% , ..... and then we complain , ..... have a nice day

Each new tax leads to the new methods of avoiding paying it. For example, you give private math lessons to school students. Officially you must pay tax, but nobody pays.

	04-07-2003 00:23									#51
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Each new tax leads to the new methods of avoiding paying it. For example, you give private math lessons to school students. Officially you must pay tax, but nobody pays.

hi ,

what , you dont pay neither , ........

they cant charge a 23 comp screen with a tv card , .....

should have seen the looks when some people came , .....

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