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The Templar
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People's Republic of the East Village
Oct 2001
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You've been listening to too much Phelps. You're starting to sound like people of that ilk. |
It's called irony - another thing conservatives don't understand. 
Dissident, words don't mean alot to me. I've read the Bible, I read what Jesus said. If one has faith in Jesus, then it seems to me that one should endevour to do the sorts of things Jesus said to do.
Now how does the modern right wing agenda measure up to the teachings of Jesus?
Tax cuts? Jesus said "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's". In other words, pay your taxes and shut up. (Our money you might note has our Caesars on them.)
Social services cuts? What ever happened to "if a man asks for your coat, give him your shirt too." Pay your taxes, shut the **** up, and vote for leaders who will direct those taxes to the neediest. That's what Jesus would do.
Gay bashing? Show me one place where Jesus says **** about gays. And not Paul, Jesus. Show me one place where Jesus gives his (its?) blessing to traditional gender norms. Again, not Paul - Jesus.
Getting rich? "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." So we should redistribute wealth equally. This would help the poor live well, and help the rich get into heaven. And heaven and Jesus are better than money right?
Adultery? Lets he who is without sin cast that stone. But I guess Henry Hyde, Newt, and DeLay didn't read that part when they did the impeachment thing. But Newt's a good Christian right? Because leaving your wife with cancer for a younger woman is just the sort of thing Jesus would do, right?
You see, unlike most conservatives I bothered to read the Bible and understand it - instead of just banging the damn thing. Do I have a lock on the truth. Nope - but the text supports my understanding.
Jesus on the mount called for helping your fellow man, and being part of the community. He did not call for tax cuts, being greedy, or oppressing gays and women. I look at political conservatives and the so-called religious right and I see not a trace of Jesus's teachings. Are you, DinoDoc, sayign Dubya is a better Christian than MLK? That Billy Graham is a better Christian than Mother Theresa?
But hey DinoDoc, I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong. Show us Jesus quotes that backs a Republican position.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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what is this comparing gays to Blacks and hispanics? I guarentee you there's twice as many Blacks and hispanics against gay marriage as there are whites against gay marriage.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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Sava:
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believe me, there are enough poor people, unemployed, and pissed off youth... |
great to know that they're just about all closer to me politically than to you...
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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Boris:
take Santarum for example. he was opposed to the supreme court making any such decision without popular involvement. he wanted to leave it up to the states...
and even a constitutional amendment involves popular support both on the floor of Congress and at state legislatures.
Santorum and Frist know that gay marriage will only be allowed in the whole country if the supreme court makes this decision... and i think they want to strike out gay marriage while the majority of americans are still opposed to it (which may not be the case in 30 years)
thanks
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Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:29
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quote:
Originally posted by The Templar
It's called irony - another thing conservatives don't understand.
Dissident, words don't mean alot to me. I've read the Bible, I read what Jesus said. If one has faith in Jesus, then it seems to me that one should endevour to do the sorts of things Jesus said to do.
Now how does the modern right wing agenda measure up to the teachings of Jesus?
Tax cuts? Jesus said "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's". In other words, pay your taxes and shut up. (Our money you might note has our Caesars on them.)
Social services cuts? What ever happened to "if a man asks for your coat, give him your shirt too." Pay your taxes, shut the **** up, and vote for leaders who will direct those taxes to the neediest. That's what Jesus would do.
Gay bashing? Show me one place where Jesus says **** about gays. And not Paul, Jesus. Show me one place where Jesus gives his (its?) blessing to traditional gender norms. Again, not Paul - Jesus.
Getting rich? "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." So we should redistribute wealth equally. This would help the poor live well, and help the rich get into heaven. And heaven and Jesus are better than money right?
Adultery? Lets he who is without sin cast that stone. But I guess Henry Hyde, Newt, and DeLay didn't read that part when they did the impeachment thing. But Newt's a good Christian right? Because leaving your wife with cancer for a younger woman is just the sort of thing Jesus would do, right?
You see, unlike most conservatives I bothered to read the Bible and understand it - instead of just banging the damn thing. Do I have a lock on the truth. Nope - but the text supports my understanding.
Jesus on the mount called for helping your fellow man, and being part of the community. He did not call for tax cuts, being greedy, or oppressing gays and women. I look at political conservatives and the so-called religious right and I see not a trace of Jesus's teachings. Are you, DinoDoc, sayign Dubya is a better Christian than MLK? That Billy Graham is a better Christian than Mother Theresa?
But hey DinoDoc, I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong. Show us Jesus quotes that backs a Republican position. |
I never have seen such a fanatical liberal. You are basically saying the goverment has the right to take as much money as they want, and we can't complain about it and be christians at the same time.
Ever heard of a thing called charities. Many conservative probably contribute to them. And they are much, much more efficient than a crappy goverment program.
You really need to work a goverment job and figure out how much waste there really is. I was in a poor branch of the military, and I saw the waste. That money isn't helping poor people, it is being used to buy cushy office furniture.
I am certain the bible doesn't say anything about lazy fat assed paper pushers getting to use our money to buy leather chairs for their offices. Yes even in the navy, if we had any extra money, we used it to buy as much nice things for our offices as possible.
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The Templar
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People's Republic of the East Village
Oct 2001
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Originally posted by Dissident
I never have seen such a fanatical liberal. You are basically saying the goverment has the right to take as much money as they want, and we can't complain about it and be christians at the same time. |
Nope. I'm saying Jesus taught that we should use our resources to help others. Not that we should seek to hold onto money. "Render unto Caesar". If you have a complaint that Jesus wasn't serious about your money, take it up with him.
I'm not fanatical at all. I'm simply pointing out what Jesus actually had to say in the Bible. Jesus doesn't talk about "welfare queens" or tax cuts or God helps those who help themselves. What's wrong? Did I touch a nerve? Could it be that religious conservatives have the message completely backwards? I hate to break it to you, but Jesus didn't think being rich was worth it. In fact, he saw it as an impediment. The thing I find funniest is that conservatives want to cut social spending, they take the attitude of "Am I my brother's keeper." But Cain said that ...
The funny thing is, whenever conservatives reach for the Bible to support one of their positions, they invariably reach for the old testament or Paul's Epistles. They never quote the Gospels (except perhaps John 3:16 - but that's a whole other argument).
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Ever heard of a thing called charities. Many conservative probably contribute to them. And they are much, much more efficient than a crappy goverment program. |
Numbers?
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You really need to work a goverment job and figure out how much waste there really is. |
I had a government job once. I also deal with the City of New York on a daily basis on my current job. I fail to see the much talked about government inefficiency. This is the stuff of myth. Private or public sector, efficiency all depends on the people on the job.
And DinoDoc, that was a cop out answer.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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Templar, if you had any real knowledge of the Bible you would know that Jesus didn't take political stands because he was not on earth to do so. It wasn't time to set up the kingdom of God, but rather, Jesus' mission was to save the people from their sins.
He wasn't interested in the politics of the day - he said to "render under Caesar..." simply to a)show a good example to others and b)avoid trouble that would have made his mission more difficult, not because he had any love for taxes and the like.
If you like, though, we can look up passages relating to what God says about both stealing and laziness/slothfulness.
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