01-07-2003 09:23									#31
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Either that or a Freman!

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor If your family comes from Alsace, odds are your ethnicity is Germanic. Especially if your family emigrated before WW1.

I lost all my e-mails from my Aunt when my hard drive got corrupted. I can't remember the exact town name.

But that sounds about right. I do believe my roots are german even though the town is now french.

My aunt has been communicating with them for while trying to figure out our lineage. She's super conservative though, I wonder if she continued talking with them after this thing with the french recently .

But I have german on my father's side as well. They just took an american sounding name when they arrived to the U.S. Then they fell in with that mormon croud .

	01-07-2003 11:51									#33
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quote: I'm not exactly sure if I'm french, or german. My blonde hair (well it's not that blonde anymore) would seem to indicate I'm german. I also have native american and English roots in me.

funny, most people of german descent that I know of have dark brown or black hair, and the English/Scandanavians are the ones with blonde.

is it safe to call everyone from the english isles and scandanavia Scanglish? They're pretty much the same people when you consider how often the English/Scots/Irish got raped by the Vikings.

	01-07-2003 11:58									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed i've met fewer j's than c's and k's, but everybody still assumes that i'm either a c or a j and ask whether i come from the south or the north once they find out i'm a k. blah blah blah

I'd love to read your post but I have no idea what the j's,c's,k's mean.
Are you always this cryptic? Reminds me of that scene from "Gooooood Morning Vietnam!"

	01-07-2003 12:10									#35
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japanese, chinese, and korean

	01-07-2003 12:16									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Then they fell in with that mormon croud .

I feel so sorry for you.

	01-07-2003 12:18									#37
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well I'm not mormon . My dad wasn't mormon either. He wasn't religious at all. My mom was catholic, but I haven't been inside a catholic church in a long time- and that was only because my girlfriend was catholic. In fact it was my dad's dad who moved from Utah to southern California.

	01-07-2003 13:23									#38
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Oh good. I feel much better now.

	01-07-2003 20:39									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us is it safe to call everyone from the english isles and scandanavia Scanglish? They're pretty much the same people when you consider how often the English/Scots/Irish got raped by the Vikings.

My Welsh and Scottish blood is crying out for a smack down to be delievered but my English heritage just can't be arsed to do that much work.

	01-07-2003 21:06									#40
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AS, you live in Pennsylvania. Just take a road trip out of Philly for one day and into the rural towns of Pensylvania and you'll see plenty of anglos and germans, particularly the latter.

	01-07-2003 21:06									#41
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I saw an interesting documentary last night that claimed that over 50% of British citizens has at least one black ancestor from the last 500 or so years.

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how did they figure that?

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A large black population in the UK at one point that disappeared 100 years later with no noticable emmigration. Based on previous historical data such as the North African legion the Romans stationed in the UK, inter-marriage is the most likely option.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer got your attention? i've always seen statistics saying that the largest ethnic groups in america is german, anglo-saxon, and irish. but the weird thing is, the first two are very rare from my experiences. almost every white person i know (mainly from school and what not) is either irish, italian, or jewish (though i never met a jewish person until high school so they're not too common) with an occasional greek or russian/ukrainian. so what gives? where's all the anglos and germans at?

The single largest national group in the US is British (English, Scottish, & Welsh; Irish even from the north are considered seporate) though the most common last names in America are German. The reason there are so many people with German last names is because in the 19th century lots of German men came to the US and married American women thus their decendents are both British & German but have German last names.

As for why you don't see them. Well, As you've said you live in the ghetto and most of the middle and upper classes don't ever want to go to the ghetto so you don't see them.

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There was a large black population in the UK, when was that?

	01-07-2003 21:38									#46
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Around the ports over past decades. Places like Tiger Bay in Cardiff were predominantly black way back in the 19th century.

	01-07-2003 21:41									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us is it safe to call everyone from the english isles and scandanavia Scanglish? They're pretty much the same people when you consider how often the English/Scots/Irish got raped by the Vikings.

Half of England was predominantly Danish/Nordic over the 10th/11th century. The Normans too were far more Viking than Frankish.

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well you learn something everyday...

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laurentius: mrt has it right. i was typing during a thunderstorm, so i tryed to abbreviate as much as possible. sorry.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Quite much. The Germans had only limited crossbreeding with other populations in history, and it still shows. Until very recently, German citizenship came only from being a 'pure-blooded German' (i.e people from centuries-old German ascent in Russia could pretend to German citizenship, while Turks living in Germany for decades could not).

Spiffor, I've to back Boshko - but it depends a bit on what you see as "history". For my point of view and this part of the world, I see as basis what we are roughly can grasp, the pre-roman situation, with Celts in France, partially Spain, Britain, southern Germany... Germanic tribes in north Germany and south Scandinavia, Romanic ethicity (if there ever was such thing) in Italy .. maybe better called Italics, and maybe emerging Slavs in today's Ukraine. History had it that by 100 AC Celts were "crushed" except for Britain. (I think they re-entered Brittany later). But of course their ethnicity didn't disappear but in Gaul, and probably north Italy, they mixed with Italics -- Romans did all they could do to bring their blood to the world. (The only good deed of Agrippina, Neros mother, was to make her home town a proper Roman Colony - Cologne.) In southern Germany, Celts mixed with the then dominant Germanic tribes.
Next step was the time after the fall of West Rome, when Germanic tribes flooded all central and western Europe, to different degrees. Most of the impact in formerly Roman territory, of course had the Franks (which are better described as a confederation of several germanic tribes, and as such a political and not an ethnic construction). Their "ethnic" extension (not their empire) spanned todays regions of Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, northern France to the Loire, and in Germany everything west of the Rhine and north of Alsace, around 50 km east of the Rhine, and the Main valley (the latter are the only ones regularly referred to as Franks in Germany ...). Of course, again they mixed with previous populations after killing the upper 10000 (or sometimes it seems that villages have kept their ethnicity quite well, which might be entirely different from the next village).
On the eastern border, Germanic tribes settled to the Visla/Weichsel until around 400, then they left or were expelled by the Slavs (I don't know any historical records). The Slavs advanced to about the border of the former German Democratic Republic by around 800, and then Germanic settlers moved again to this area (There was lot of unused forest in the region at that time, so who was able to make it arable could settle there without killing other people). Anyway, the result was a slow transition from Germanic to Slavic between central Germany and eastern Poland by, say, 1800.
I just want to leave out Magyars who had all possibilities to mix with German ethnicity during long years in the KuK monarchy.
So, that's why I think that Germany is quite a mixture of ethnicities. The thing with "pure blood" is quite new, maybe as an answer to the French "everyone we conquered is French". And in the years after the war, it was a necessity because there were lots of ethnic Germans in the Eastern Block (Hungary, Rumania, Russia) who were treated almost as politely as Hitler treated the Polish (of course, only those whose grandparents did not decide to move to the Ruhr valley ... oh stupid racism).

	02-07-2003 01:02									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Either that or a Freman!

Not unless they know how to ride shai-hulud..

	02-07-2003 01:49									#52
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Seriously Speer, either you or someone you know has to have a car. Just take a road trip out of city one day, either to Philly or down into Deleware or Maryland and see something different.

	02-07-2003 03:55									#53
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quote: Half of England was predominantly Danish/Nordic over the 10th/11th century. The Normans too were far more Viking than Frankish.

Norsemen came from Sandanavia.

quote: Scandinavia (ancient Scandia), name applied collectively to three countries of northern Europe—Norway and Sweden (which together form the Scandinavian Peninsula), and Denmark. The three countries are so grouped because of their historical, cultural, and linguistic affinities. The term Scandinavia is sometimes extended to include Iceland, which is linguistically related to the others, and less often to Finland, which is not linguistically related. The term Nordic has been applied to the five countries of northern Europe (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and Iceland) that are united by geographical and economic factors. Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2002. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

therefore, Scanglish!

	02-07-2003 05:18									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus History had it that by 100 AC Celts were "crushed" except for Britain. (I think they re-entered Brittany later).

Your right about Brittany but the Celts still were the dominate lingustic and ethnic group in Galitia (northern Turkey) and Galactia (north western Spain) until around the fourteenth century. Plus at their height the Celts were much further spread then you were say with hungary being mostly Celtic and Celtic minorities living as far east as Tien Shan China (they trace them based upon artic styles of artifacts, surviving fabric designs & weaving styles, and lastly by DNA from skeletons).

Lastly, the Germans came from the east in what is now eastern Germany and Poland with most of Austria and western Germany being Celtic lands. The great German expansion didn't occur until during the later part of the Roman era.