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Just got through watching the last part a few minutes ago. It was pretty good for a TV mini series. In some places it seemed a little rushed but all in all it was worth the time spent watching it. The series starts out with the arival of Sulla and ends with the death of Caesar on the Senate floor. One good point is that it didn't focus on Cleo too much. There were parts that I wished would have been done a little different but hey it was pretty good for TV.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.h...ainment/1968164


edit: It was especially nice to see Christopher Walken as Cato

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It's still on right now.

Although I'm not sure if this is the first part or second.

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It's still on right now.

Although I'm not sure if this is the first part or second.

Your watching the replay it's the second part

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personallly, I was hoping for some hot sex scenes with Cleopatra

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I missed it, but I did watch the "Roman War Machine" special's on the history channel, it was like a 6 parter or something...

Hopefully their is a replay of that caesar one, gonna have to watch that.

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They will have plenty of replays.\

Dissident. You'll have to wait for the dvd version of that I believe.

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yep, Ceaser just got whacked

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I liked it. I think it was very well done. There were a few things I really liked, specially how characters that have gotten almost no on screen time ever got time here, like Marius (for a very short time), Sulla, Pompey and Cato. They did the battle scenes well, though too much use of horses: someone who did not know better would thnk the core of the Roman army of this time was cavalry.

I was also somewhat perplexed by no mneiton of the Tirumvarate being made, and Crassus is never even spoken off, even when they talk about the great slave revolt. The show also continues the notion that Octavian and Caesar had little to do with each other, I mean, he is not even mentioned until the pre-credit stills, and they even call him Augustus and not Octavian. I mean, there must have been a reason Caesar named him and not Marc Anthony as his successor.
All the actor did very well, though I think Wlaken did chew up the sceenry a bit too much as Cato. Sisto (??) did a very good Caesar, and Noth a very good Pompey.

Still, the best depecition of Roman times I have seen since I Claudius.

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it was well done

but i have a question form last night... did caesar really let that celt (im not even gonna try to spell his name Xangiaorfhdlfcadfczxxxx...) go, who later became the leader of the celts (or was he all along?)

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Vercingetorix you mean, or..?

(I haven't watched it so...)

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Saw it last year in German TV (IIRC one of Germany´s major tv stations was co-producer).

I had quite low expectations (esp. because of other mini-series, eg. the Cleopatra thing with Timothy Dalton as Caesar), but was positively surprised - for tv stuff it was good, althought I disliked certain elements. Also I disliked the actor who played Caesar.

But overall worth watching.

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I channel surfed by, but after watching roman catapults throwing fireballs and then watching roman calvary (wtf?) using a gladius (even worse wtf?) I decided it was not for me and moved on.

Find a copy of 'I Claudius'. Its much better.

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has anyone seen the Attila series I think it was a two parter (virtually films) made by HBO? Quite good considering, although they could have kept the magic mumbo-jumbo out of it.

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It was entertaining... what sucked was that I already knew the ending.

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It was entertaining... what sucked was that I already knew the ending.


Yeah that kind of goes with the territory where historical dramas are concerned.

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It would have been funnier if they showed him living, and then running away and living hapilly incognito somewhere else. Now that would have been a real surprise.... but dramatic license can take you only so far.

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Yeah that kind of goes with the territory where historical dramas are concerned.

I had the same problem with the HItler mini-series... I kept yelling at the TV to the Nazis... WAIT TIL YOU GET TO RUSSIA!!

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Vercingetorix you mean, or..?

(I haven't watched it so...)


yeah, thats the guy... seemed more difficult and weird before... oh well

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yeah, thats the guy... seemed more difficult and weird before... oh well


Then in answer to your original question, no, they killed him!

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Then in answer to your original question, no, they killed him!


really? then who led the celts in that famous battle (cant recall the name) were caesar seiged the hill top, but then he himself was seiged by celts from the surrounding area?

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I haven't seen the series but Vercingetorix was defeated by Caesar and executed after the battle, I'm not sure what went on before that

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Vercingetorix was brought back to Rome and was part of Caesars triumphal parade into the city. So that at least is correct.

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Vercingetorix was beaten at Alesia (which is a celtic oppidum in France). Indeed a relief force was sent to surround Caesar, but he managed to hold it, despite the huge length of his palisade which his troops had to defend. He built up a nasty system of defenses in front of his palisade, including several deep trenches, spiked stars, pins in the ground, and the like which hindered the enemy greatly, so he could do with that small amount of troops (relatively spoken) against a majority of Gauls.

After V figured out they would be starved he surrendered and was taken along in Caesars triumph at Rome, I think

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ok, thanks

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really? then who led the celts in that famous battle (cant recall the name) were caesar seiged the hill top, but then he himself was seiged by celts from the surrounding area?



Are you asking about when they had captured him earlier in the village and then Caesar let him go only to find out that it was him that was leading the Guals later on? If you are, I think that was just artistic license. Kind of a pay back to when Pompey saved him years before. Though I'm far from an expert on the matter.

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Are you asking about when they had captured him earlier in the village and then Caesar let him go only to find out that it was him that was leading the Guals later on? If you are, I think that was just artistic license. Kind of a pay back to when Pompey saved him years before. Though I'm far from an expert on the matter.


yeah, thats what i was originally asking about, thanks. I figured that didnt really happen, or perhaps Caesar wrote he did that in his memoirs but there being nothing to back that up.

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What did they translate his dying words as?

"Even you my child?" or "You too Brutus?"

Note: only one of these is correct.

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Also I disliked the actor who played Caesar.


woohoo! finally someone agrees with me! They should have had someone with a more manly looking playing Caesar and Marc Antony. I couldnt bare to see such powerful people being so small, I couldnt help but shouting "Woman!!". Not to mention the guy playing Caesar put WAY too much effort into sounding important, he really overplayed the part.


another thing I hated about the movie was how the director tried to make Caesar look overly important by making him have more colour than everyone else in the battle scene. OOh! another horrible thing about it! The parades where Pompey, and then Caesar return to Rome were waaaaay too obviously computer generated. Also the finally battle scene at Alesia (sp?) when they zoomed out was absolute disgustingly revoltingly horrible. Notice how everyone was computer generated and wavy a sword in the air? it looked like a huge porcupine.
ooh, ooh! ANOTHER reason to hate it, it was WAAAAY historicaly inaccurate.

okay I'll stop babbling now, I need food.

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I channel surfed by, but after watching roman catapults throwing fireballs and then watching roman calvary (wtf?) using a gladius (even worse wtf?) I decided it was not for me and moved on.


people like to watch fire, it was a show put on for tv.
the Roman cavalry in the movie/mini series were indeed using a gladius, in real life they used a sword just a bit longer than the gladius though it was very similar in appearance.


I have a question for those of you who know Roman history better than myself, whats up with the leather armour? I thought the Romans had metal armor.

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What did they translate his dying words as?

"Even you my child?" or "You too Brutus?"

Note: only one of these is correct.


I believe it was the later but I'm not for sure. During that particular instant someone called in the phone. Perhaps someone else could say. I think he mentioned his name...

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I have a question for those of you who know Roman history better than myself, whats up with the leather armour? I thought the Romans had metal armor.

IIRC, at caesars time they were using chain mail. later on they used lorica segmentata, which was the height of roman armor (really cool stuff, im not sure how effective it was tho).

 
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