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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:29
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I have attempted to develop a system that is simple, in character with Spain and with our present tech, and that reflects a Republic ... as opposed to a Democracy.
I have altered my previous proposal to give you this new proposal. I invite all of you to add comments or suggestions:
The King
Supreme Executive Authority of Spain
Appoints Ministers
Give a grant of Lordship to an individual
House of Cardinals
Will include 5 Cardinals, one of whom is the Pope
Lead by the Pope
Administer the Laws and Courts of Spain
Resolves any legal disputes
May expell any Lord from the House of Lords
Protect the culture and traditions of Spain
Speak for the common people of Spain.
House of Lords
Includes all of the Lords of Spain
One Lord Shall be appointed Lord Chamberlain who plays the save when the King cannot.
Approve all treaties
Approve all appointed Ministers
Declare War/Peace
Decide the budget
Make laws
notes:
All members of this team will be considered Lords for the purpose of this government. The King "Giving grants of Lordship" means admitting new members to the team. If a character dies, his successor will automatically take his seat.
If the Cardinals expell someone from the House of Lords, that CHARACTER shall no participate in the House of Lords, and it will be for the King to appoint his sucessor (next character) into the House.
The Cardinals are the Judicial branch of Spain, but they also will serve to represent the voiceless masses to the King and to the Lords. They should have a lot of influence but ultimate lawmaking authority falls to the Lords themselves. They will also have the power to prosecute and try individuals for crimes.
At this point in history, only the rich/powerful landowners have a say in government. We're not giving the peasants an equal say yet. Should we go to a Democracy we'll further expand access of the people to our government. Right now all of the team members are considered the rich/powerful leaders of Spain. We're the only ones that will be making decsions.
This proposal attempts to keep our current system in tact and just add a formal means for the Lords to get involved and have more power to make decisions and laws. This Proposal is, therefore, designed to appease the Lords of Spain so that they will not revolt, it also ensures that the King of Spain remains the ultimate authority.
--Togas
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dejon
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In general, I agree with this proposal. However, it does nothing in rectify two growing problems in Spain:
1) The Military has no power over itself.
2) There is little cooperation or coordination amongst city governors in their builds.
If we're changing our government, even symbolically, I think we should address these issues. My suggestions:
1) Found a Military Council, comprised of the King, the Commander of the Armies, and 1-3 other appointed Lords (I suggest those with barracks in their cities to start). This council would be responsible for our defensive and offensive planning, and the Commander would remain responsible for posting specific orders. They would have the power to override city builds and worker orders when necessary for military needs.
2) Create a Minister or Council for Domestic Planning. All city governors must have their builds approved by this person or body. This ensures that city governors do not run amok - building unneeded improvements or neglecting the greater needs of Spain.
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:29
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quote:
Originally posted by dejon
In general, I agree with this proposal. However, it does nothing in rectify two growing problems in Spain:
1) The Military has no power over itself.
2) There is little cooperation or coordination amongst city governors in their builds.
If we're changing our government, even symbolically, I think we should address these issues. My suggestions:
1) Found a Military Council, comprised of the King, the Commander of the Armies, and 1-3 other appointed Lords (I suggest those with barracks in their cities to start). This council would be responsible for our defensive and offensive planning, and the Commander would remain responsible for posting specific orders. They would have the power to override city builds and worker orders when necessary for military needs.
2) Create a Minister or Council for Domestic Planning. All city governors must have their builds approved by this person or body. This ensures that city governors do not run amok - building unneeded improvements or neglecting the greater needs of Spain. |
Dejon is adressing a problem I faced earlier. While I tried to find a compromise between building what Spain needs and what I myself think is good for the city (Zaragoza), I faced the problem that it has never been very clear what the domestic policy of the King really was. Perhaps the King had no real domestic policy except for occasions like the most recent Western Settlement. The governors need that coordination very much. I don't think this person or council needs the power to edict Lords to build certain projects in their city, but this person or council should at least advise the Lords and make sure there is cooperation between them.
To give one example: I lobbied some times, when the King was designing his Western Settlement plan, to let Zaragoza stick to military production. I got the idea to let Zaragoza build military units because it seemed good to me to let Spain have more soldiers and because the members of this team seemed to like it if I would buidl military units.
It would have been better if I wouldn't have lobbied at all (although its very effective  ) but would have communicated with the other governors to make a design. It would also have been better if I would not have made my finger wet, have put it in the air and felt in what direction the wind was blowing (that's in fact what I did as governor), but would have got advise from above form someone who has a better overall-view.
About the Military council. The King is currently, and should remain to be the commander-in-chief of the Royal Spanish Army. He cannot fulfil this task without support from generals and governors. I think it would be good if the governors of the biggest Spanish cities, together with the General (vice commander-in-chief) would form a commission that would advise the King on military issues. These advises should be made public so that others can react on this and have their comments.
The King should argue his decisions in the meetings in the House of Lords, but that counts for every thing and not particular the militay issues.
Furthermore, I want to state that I fully support the proposal of his Majesty King Justino Togas I.
This is my opinion.
Another thing: [pope mode]I want to restructure the Church when this system will be adopted. this contains the folowing issues. Before I mention these I want to ask if ANY person who has comments on these issues, would please not post his reaction in this thread, but in the Abbey, so that it can be discussed there..
- The Señores that are now in an executive position in the Church will be made Bishops.
- The inquisition should be subject to strict rules. I want to know from the members who have been active in the trials and inquiries what they think of the current set of ruses and if there should be even more, or less rules.
- I hope people will start founding abbeys throughout Spain. The Law contains but very few restrictiont to the founding of abbeys.
- Internationalize the Church.
- Discuss anything that you think is important for the future of the Church and eventually implement it.
I hope to finish these things before I decide that it is time for my too old character to die and that the new pope can enjoy a Church in which things work fine without querrels or revolts.
Please discuss this but in the Abbey of St Benedictus, still our only abbey.
[/pope mode]
Aidun
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:29
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Great Lords and leaders of Spain! To the many houses and families, and to the pious leaders of our beloved church. I urge you to accept this agreement. It is an agreement made between myself and the Lords, but it is also an agreement made between us all.
We have entered a potentially difficult time in our history, as our wisemen and many of our Lords have forsaken their selfish desires and dreamed up a better way to rule our people. These ideas were a slap in the face to our Monarchy and to our traditions and men have died because of it. I had feared that as the push for Republic began to spread over Spain that it would drive us into a Civil War and Anarchy. Therefore, I willfully went to Vigo to meet with the Lords to peaceful discuss and debate how change can be enacted but yet preserve our present way of life, our culture, and our traditions.
The Republican ideas we embrace are based on a system used across the sea by the People of Legoland, but we have adopted it to make it our own. There are three key elements I would like to highlight:
1) The role of the Church shall remain. We shall not be a godless state ruled by lust for power and money. The presence of the Church shall temper us, encourage wise and selfless governing, and shall ensure that God's will and God's law rules supreme over Spain.
2) The rights of the Lords to manage their own estates shall remain.
3) I hereby give up the Togas family claim of ownership of Spain. It is not just that I rule simply because my father ruled. I do not wish to be given power, I wish to deserve it. I have asked that the Lords of Spain choose the King, and I humbly ask that you freely choose me as your King. Furthermore, upon my death, if you do not feel my son is worthy to rule Spain, I ask that another greater man be chosen.
Therefore, I give you the Vigo Accord. I ask that All of the Lords and Cardinals of Spain sign and pledge to abide by this new Accord. Once this is done, I ask that we begin immediately under this new agreement and that we move boldly forward to a bright future that awaits us.
THE VIGO ACCORD
The Lords of Spain hereby agree that the power shall be shared between the King, the Church, and the Lords as follows:
The King
Supreme Executive Authority of Spain, ensures that all laws passed by the House of Lords are carried out
Head of State, represents Spain to other nations and manages foreign affairs
Appoints and Commands the key ministers: General of Spain, Cheif Ambassador, Master of Public Works
Give a grant of Lordship to an individual (OOC: allows people to join the team)
May overrule the orders of individual Lords for the greater good of Spain.
(OOC: Plays the save)
Hears appeals of Rulings by the House of Cardinals
Votes to break ties in the House of Lords
Rules for Life
House of Cardinals
The Voice and Wisdom of God in our nation
Shall Include 5 Cardinals, one of whom is named Pope
Lead by the Pope, who is chosen by the House of Cardinals
Administer the Laws and Courts of Spain
Resolves any disputes of law
May expell any Lord from the House of Lords
Protects the culture and traditions of Spain
Speak for the common people of Spain
Appoints Cardinals
In the beginning, it shall include Pope Aidun and 4 other Cardinals as selected by him.
Cardinals may also serve as Lords
House of Lords
Includes all Lords (land owners) of Spain (OOC: all team members)
Appoints a new King of Spain when the King dies
One Lord Shall be appointed Lord Chamberlain (OOC: who plays the save when the King cannot), who shall have the powers of the King when the King is absent, ill, or during periods where there is not yet a King.
Approve all treaties involving war or the potential for war
Approve all appointed Ministers
Declare War/Peace
Decide the budget and controls the finances of Spain
Make laws
All Lords of Spain (including Cardinals) may vote on proposed laws. Laws are passed by a majority vote
Rights of Lords
The Right of a Lord to manage his estate and govern his people shall only be limited by the Laws of Spain and the decisions of the King, so long as those decisions are done in the Best Interest of Spain.
Property cannot be taken from a Lord without approval of the House of Lords, nor can the life of any Lord be taken without approval of the King.
I, Justino Togas, hereby pledge to abide by this new accord.
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:29
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Your Majesty,
I appreciate that you have tried to keep the position of the Church a powerful one. I had not expected anything less than this agreement. As you have stated in this agreement, it is evident that the almighty God and the Christian faith must have a central position in Kingdom of Spain.
It is also good that Spain will remain a kingdom and not a full republic. As you know the King is the representative of the almighty God in this world and it would not be good to change this. The Church would have liked to see that the rule of the Togas dynasty over Spain would remain and that the king would not be "chosen" by the lords. I therefore suggest that the Church would at least have the right to advise the House of Lords on the issue of the appointing of a new King.
But the Church is very satisfied with the overall outcome of your debate with the Lords and will not block this agreement. To show the support for this agreement I declare that all prisoners that were taken captive because of openly showing their republicism, will be released from prosecution and Article VI of the General Law of the Law of the Church, will be removed. This will happen after this agreement has been implemented.
Of course the Church will not refuse to outlaw republicism again when the republicans cause unrest and start revolting.
I will think of who I will appoint as Cardinal for the House of Cardinals.
Sincerely,
Pope Aidun I
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Señor El Ruby_maser,
The situation in the capital should be an example for the situation in the rest of Spain. If Pamplona falls to greed and power abuse, what can we expect of the rest of Spain, and of the world. Spain is an example of civilization for the entire world. If the Spanish civilization fails, the world will end up in chaos and will be a mess of pagan barbarians in endless war.
Duke Aidun Cian of Zaragoza
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Your Majesty,
As I stated in the meeting we had in Vigo, I agree with this proposal for a restructurizing of the Kingdom of Spain. God bless you and your family.
Duke Aidun Cian of Zaragoza on behalf of the House Cian
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History Guy
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Reads too many books...
Oct 2001
time: 23:29
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(as the huge oaken doors open wide once again for the fifth time that day, white petals rain down from the sky...from above, the crowds sing the "Domine" and the "Gloria", and the crowd parts under the rain of petals to allow in a tall, gaunt, vermillion-cloaked man...)
My Lord King Togas,
I humbly accept and bless this proposal, in the Name of God, and in accordance with the wishes of His Holiness, the Pope Aidun I of the Holy See of Peter.
May God will it.
Cardinal Calamari
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(then, again the doors open wide...the man who strides in is the Cardinal's brother, and he too is a magnificent sight, clad in shining armor with a blue satin grown around his arms and his gauntleted hand grasping his sheathed sword...)
Like my brother, the Cardinal, I also agree to this proposal. I suspect that a Republic is in our best interests, and it is what God ordains.
Besides, it'll help the squid trade immensely.
But my King, you have my undying support, and you have my sword... I would loosen all of the blood in my veins if it would keep you on the throne as King, my Lord. I shall see Togas as king, or no other!
Don Iago Calamari de Toledo
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:29
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Your Majesty,
I support Señor Dejon, but for a different reason than he has.
Until the Chief Ambassador was appointed, the King did the foreign affairs business, including declaring war or peace. Then, The Chief anmassador took over this task of the King and all functioned well, although ambassadors became less important.
The most important remark of this system is that it works FAST end is, in most of the times very effective.
Having an entire House of Lords to decide about foreign matters is really slowing down the procedure and will reducce our ability to properly do diplomacy as we did until now. Letting the King or Chief ambassador do this without any approval from the House of Lords will be far more efficient.
But then what to do with the Military Council? Let the Military Council coordinate the military planning with the King and the Chief Ambassador, but not have a right to approve any decisions, as this will only extra slow down the process.
The military council should contain: the General, the governors of the biggest Spanish production cities, the Chief ambassador and of course the King.
Why only include the governors of the biggest spanish cities in this council? Because it is a lot easier discussing with but 6 ot 7 people than the entire team. Second: the biggest production cities are responsible for the military production now, and especially important in time of war, the rest of the cities is production-wise important too (without these Spain would not exist anymore by now), but far less significant than the few big cities.
I think that it is something to think about for both the King and the House of Lords.
Duke Aidun Cian of Zaragoza
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mrmitchell
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* Reluctantly, Spamish Mitchell walks up, supported by his cane. He thinks of the document again. He sighs.
Representing the Mitchell Family of Seville, I...accept this Accord as good for the people of Spain. We let behind an old era, and enter a new one, with unprecedented freedoms for our people. An elected King!? Who would've thought? Well, it is for the betterment of Spain, and I can't reject my nation.
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27-06-2003 22:30
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You said it, not me!
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