03-07-2003 21:27									#1
	ADSL: connection problems with Apolyton Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I have recently changed my connection to a ADSL service.
Everything worked perfectly, except for Apolyton, that seemed to never load itself.
Strangely, Apolyton loaded perfectly with my previous analogical connection (from which I write these lines)
after a pair of days asking my ISP and proving multiple solutions, I discovered the problem:

Proxy Servers
Many Internet Service Providers (like AOL) use proxy servers with its ADSL lines. These ISP make extensive use of proxy serves, routing users through various proxy servers according to their own proprietary scheme. Proxy servers also cache pages and will check to see if a page is in the cache before sending the request for a page on to the server. That creates the first problem, because the proxy cache may send to the user an old version of the page without actualize the last posting.

A second problem (for me, at least):
When you try to access the restricted page, some large ISPs (such as AOL) send your request through the proxy server, which assigns a different IP address to your computer. The server that stores the page you are trying to reach sees only the address of the proxy server, which does not match the address used in the authentication process. As a result, you are no longer recognized as a Apolyton user and you cannot access the Web-authenticated page.

I think that this problems not only prevents me acceding to Apolyton, but that in addition is a possible cause of the overloading that Apolyton is suffering last time (In addition with the massive amount of users ).

The solution to that problems is to declare the page "non-cacheable" so that proxy cannot capture it. I have sent the solution to DanQ, but he has indicated to me comprehensibly that He cannot change the configuration of the Apolyton's web server (Apache) because of a problem of a single user.

So now I'm asking the ADSL users of Apolyton that passes through a proxy server:

Are you suffering some of the problems that I'm talking about?

Thanks for your attention

PS: I apologize for my poor english

Interesting Web pages:
Possible Problems With Caching Web Proxy Services:
http://www.strath.ac.uk/IT/Web/Cache/problems.html
Transparent Caching and IP Address Access Lists:
http://www.nber.org/cache.html
Copying and storing Web pages is vital to the Internet's survival -- but is it legal?:
http://eric_goldman.tripod.com/arti...he22article.htm
Problems with Web Authentication:
http://acomp.stanford.edu/acpubs/SO...50/webauth.html
Test if your ADSL connection works "under" a proxy cache (in spanish):
http://www.internautas.org/article....=thread&order=0

	03-07-2003 22:58									#2
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Can you not change the settings on your browser to always check for newer pages when connecting to a site? If you have IE it's on the general tab under temporary internet files settings.

	04-07-2003 01:31									#3
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I have ADSL from the Norwegian Internet provider Telenor, but I don't know if I pass through a proxy server. Actually, I don't know exactly what it is for... I do not have any problems though, and I have had the connection for one and a half year now.

	04-07-2003 02:51									#4
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hi ,

this is weird , ......

been using adsl for three years on poly and not a single problem , .....

proxies make the net go faster , ....

, are you sure your software / modem is installed correctly , .....

try a complete reinstall , ....

and if that does not do it , get back

have a nice day

	04-07-2003 05:01									#5
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Personally, I would move away from using a skanky ISP (such as AOL).
If that isn't an option, the first thing to try is changing your IE settings to never cache pages. If no success, perhaps another browser such as Opera may allow you to get around this problem.

Finally, I must say that your English is quite good - much better than many native speakers.

	04-07-2003 14:01									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Niessuh The solution to that problems is to declare the page "non-cacheable" so that proxy cannot capture it.

No, this is going to cause more problem than it solves.

If you cannot access Poly, manually set a proxy server for your browser.

	04-07-2003 16:22									#7
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There must be a solution to this within a browser. Too late now but I also suggest that potential dsl users research their prospective ISP, since changing supplier (at least in the UK) is a lot of hassle.

	04-07-2003 16:24									#8
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finally, my main problem (I can't connect with Apolyton) is a fault of my ISP (telefónica) that is been deceiving to me premeditadedly during these days to avoid recognizing the malfunction of the local proxy server. A denunciation/claim is on way
Thanks for your advice
Nevertheless, the second problem (the load of old fashioned pages) I think that It's problem of Apolyton: old pages are stored when you access at the proxy server, returning in your next connection.

	04-07-2003 21:57									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Niessuh Nevertheless, the second problem (the load of old fashioned pages) I think that It's problem of Apolyton: old pages are stored when you access at the proxy server, returning in your next connection.

I don't have this problem when using proxy servers.

	06-07-2003 00:39									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I don't have this problem when using proxy servers.

hi ,

it has to do with ones settings , ......

have a nice day

	06-07-2003 13:16									#11
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I am on ADSL, and I don't use proxies. (unless I need to.)

	06-07-2003 13:22									#12
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quote: Finally, I must say that your English is quite good - much better than many native speakers.

You are around Australians. Enough said.

	06-07-2003 18:11									#13
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Touche.

	07-07-2003 03:21									#14
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a kiwi tries to slag the Aussies.

Now that is funny

	07-07-2003 05:22									#15
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Ah, but at least we can commentate on sporting matches without being extremely irritating.

	07-07-2003 07:19									#16
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Murray Maxted aside.

	07-07-2003 07:46									#17
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I'm sorry, but dear old Murray is enjoyable to listen to if the alternative is any of the Australian commentators. The Union commentators are all good, but AFL and NRL eat the cake.

"End deet wais a cleeva kik!". Draw your own opinions.