15-07-2003 12:11									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I tried necromancer, but I just could not get into it. I don't like standing around waiting for my stupid summons to actually kill something.

Perhaps you should try a sniper necro.

Amplify Damage + lots of poison + crossbow = lots of "one shot one kill" fun.

	15-07-2003 12:12									#32
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I gave up on Pindle. Mephy has been much kinder to me.

	15-07-2003 12:42									#33
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Would it be possible to have +2 Necro Skills, +3 Poison and Bone Skills, and +3 Bone Spear on the same wand? That'd be one hell of a find, but I'm not sure you can get that under normal rules either.

You cannot get that under normal rules, because +2 necro skills and +3 three poison and bone skills are both prefixes, you cannot get +3 poison and bone on rares, and only rares can give you more than one prefix.

	15-07-2003 13:44									#34
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Ya that's what I thought. Somebody's pants are on fire.

	15-07-2003 14:23									#35
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maybe, since he never went online, he has the "out-of-the-box" .07 or something with the killer rares.

	15-07-2003 17:27									#36
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quote: Are you playing a mod, cause IIRC that is not possible.

No mods. Maybe I'm wrong about this but I'm pretty sure this is correct. I'll check when I get home tonight.

	16-07-2003 05:07									#37
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I had to reinstall Diablo but I can't get it to work. I'm getting a server exception and can't load it. I'm uploading what I believe to be my necromancer character for all you naysayers so if you can see before me, let me know.

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	16-07-2003 06:35									#38
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Had to disable direct3d and load directdraw instead. BM was right. It's a yew wand, +3 bone spear, +2 summon resist, +150% damage to undead. So it's even suckier than I thought.

	16-07-2003 12:27									#39
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It would be possible to get a rare +2 necromancer, +2 bone and poison skills, +3 bone bone spear wand. Just not very possible.

	17-07-2003 17:59									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I never get good items, but I have fun playing nevertheless. I just started my new Amazon character. She has a crappy bow, but she's cool. Amazon's are real dependant on good items. Having a good bow is imperative. If you want a character not dependant on items quite as much, try a sorceress. While many items are very useful for a sorceress, they can still kick some major ass without them.

Best account build in bnet from scratch is

Build sorc

-level up sorc
-hoard as much +skill item (quest, trade etc)
-hoard as much mf as u can (quest, trade etc)
-start saving up starter items for barb

Build barb

-give starter items to barb
-level up barb
-Give mf items to barb
-Get 2xtulwar and mf quest

After awhile when you can afford trading for it or if u find burito, lycander or windforce for zon... Build her! shes the best char in game IMO.

build other char whenever u want after this is accomplished.

	18-07-2003 11:45									#41
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that's too much work.

I play to have fun, not to have uber items.

In fact, I have never even played Hell difficulty. I usually get bored by then. The highest I've gotten, was a sorceress to act5 Nightmare.

	18-07-2003 12:22									#42
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bnet is far easier to get started on than sp (without cheats.) it's almost impossible to transfer stuff in sp.

The easiest char to start from nothing, imho, is the zon. the starter javelin is probably the best wep for all chars 1-5, with the 1 gold repair cost. at level five, shop for a 3 socket pike or spear, and socket it with whatever you have available. i usually use flawed diamonds. then, jab your way through andariel with the jav in the 2nd slot for bosses you want to stay away from, like the smith.

starting on bnet is very easy. just hang around the gem trading room and wait for somebody to come around offering crap to newbies. it happens about every 2-3 minutes during the busy times.

	18-07-2003 12:32									#43
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I would start with the barb first, as they do well on low levels without much equipment. This is assuming that you're not a filthy cheater who is rushing the char -- in which case, a sorc can do better without the equipment, as long as she has the skills.

	18-07-2003 12:34									#44
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da_hal, I tend to save starter javs for just that reason -- accessible to all chars, great damge when thrown, and you can renew the stack for only one gp.

Just don't throw that last jav.

	19-07-2003 05:03									#45
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in terms of classes, i think all of them are equally sad lvls 1-5.

barbs and zons start to pick up at @12 with normal gems in sockets and stuff. but the key for either one is to get enough leech and the damage to make it so that you are almost self sufficient.

sorcs, imho, struggle until lvl 17 or so, then rock afterwards. i've cleared normal with lvl 1 blizzard, nm with lvl 1 orb.

if i had to start from total scratch, i feel confident with sorc, zon, barb, and necro. i would suppose zon is the easiest of them because you get a larger boost from gems/runes than other classes, and the "best" weapons are exceptional.

	21-07-2003 23:16									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident that's too much work. I play to have fun, not to have uber items. In fact, I have never even played Hell difficulty. I usually get bored by then. The highest I've gotten, was a sorceress to act5 Nightmare.

i dont want to promote this, but cow lvling allows you to reach lv 90 overnight. If you have a friend with 80+ char u can simply breeze ur way thru a1 normal to a5 hell in less than 5 hrs.

	21-07-2003 23:18									#47
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easiest char to start out with has to be a druid.

	21-07-2003 23:42									#48
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just started a druid yesterday.

This time a werebear. I orginally didn't like them over the wolves because they seemed too slow.

But I'm really digging my werebear. They look better than wolves, they also sound better. It takes a while to get used to the slow attack speed, but it is so nice doing massive damage in one hit. I did have a little trouble in act3 with those flayers and such. I need more fire resistance. Those flayer shaman's fire really hurts me- even with the massive amounts of hitpoints I have.

But werebears are massive tanks. Even more than barbarians. And much better than Paladins. I had to be careful with my paladin- I couldn't just wade into the thick of combat. Plus I used a shield (though that was before dexterity affected blocking).

I ditched the shield for my werebear. I'd rather just use a maul and do more damage . But I do get hit a lot. But soon I will get hunger to help out with that.

Oh, and I don't use vines. They are kind of annoying anyways. I do use wolves and spirits though.

	22-07-2003 17:23									#49
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quote: i dont want to promote this, but cow lvling allows you to reach lv 90 overnight. If you have a friend with 80+ char u can simply breeze ur way thru a1 normal to a5 hell in less than 5 hrs

What's cow leveling?

	22-07-2003 18:10									#50
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Doing the Secret Cow Level over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

It's even less fun than it sounds.

	22-07-2003 20:28									#51
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I've heard of the cow level now that you mention it. That's with the devil possessed cows, right?

	22-07-2003 20:34									#52
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Yes.

You activate it by putting Wirt's Leg and a Tome of Town Portal into the Horadric Cube and transmuting them while standing in the Rogue's Camp in a difficulty level you've already completed. A red portal will open close to where you're standing.

Inside there a lots of Hell Bovine who run around in big packs. There is also the Cow King boss (who's always Lightning Enchanted). In 1.09 you couldn't do the Secret Cow Level in any difficulty in which you'd already killed the Cow King, so people used to just avoid him and kill everything else so they could do it again. I'm not sure if that restriction still applies in the Beta of 1.10

	23-07-2003 05:00									#53
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WOO HOO I made somebody's signature!!!!!

So far, 1.10 seems a little harder than previous versions. Of course, I'm playing a hardcore character now.

ACK!

	23-07-2003 05:08									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident just started a druid yesterday. This time a werebear. I orginally didn't like them over the wolves because they seemed too slow. But I'm really digging my werebear. They look better than wolves, they also sound better. It takes a while to get used to the slow attack speed, but it is so nice doing massive damage in one hit. I did have a little trouble in act3 with those flayers and such. I need more fire resistance. Those flayer shaman's fire really hurts me- even with the massive amounts of hitpoints I have. But werebears are massive tanks. Even more than barbarians. And much better than Paladins. I had to be careful with my paladin- I couldn't just wade into the thick of combat. Plus I used a shield (though that was before dexterity affected blocking). I ditched the shield for my werebear. I'd rather just use a maul and do more damage . But I do get hit a lot. But soon I will get hunger to help out with that. Oh, and I don't use vines. They are kind of annoying anyways. I do use wolves and spirits though.

Most Wolf builds rule over bear builds. I've seen bear builds that overcome AR differences and attack speed, but in general wolf build usally PK and quest at a much faster rate.

	23-07-2003 11:24									#55
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It's true the wolf is better than the bear, but bears are cooler. A wolf just furies forever w/o ever doing anything else. The bear has the cool shockwave attack to stun enemies before he mauls them, and he looks cooler.

	23-07-2003 11:43									#56
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yeah I already did a wolf.

the bear does look cooler . and i like the way he sounds as well.

back to the topic of the patch, does anyone know what changes they are planning?

	23-07-2003 13:43									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident back to the topic of the patch, does anyone know what changes they are planning?

Download it and find out.

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/beta/readme.shtml

There are lots of skill changes, mostly to give them more synergy (putting points into SkillA improves SkillB).

	24-07-2003 09:12									#58
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Also, diabloii.net has lots of info.

	24-07-2003 12:21									#59
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Is it out now?

I was just on battle net 2 nights ago, and it didn't autmatically download when I went on battle.net.

maybe it came out since then.

edit: I see it is a beta that isn't for battle.net yet. That's why I haven't seen it.

	25-07-2003 01:10									#60
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quote: Is it out now?

The original date was supposed to be Sep. 2002 for the 1.10 patch. It wouldn't surprise me if it isn't out 'til Xmas this year.