05-07-2003 20:30									#1
	NEWSFLASH: Trev built The Oracle Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I said on KC someone should start a thread about it. So I thought I would.

I haven't seen this built in a standard rules 1x game for a very long time. No rules.txt mods in this game.

Any other Oracle builders out there?

	05-07-2003 21:45									#2
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i thought you were joking about starting the thread. Since trev is winning lets start a new one next sat.

are you guys around tommorow. sunday night?

	06-07-2003 05:52									#3
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No one ever built oracle in our games untill we extended the expiration to industrialization. Now it gets built all the time.

	06-07-2003 07:39									#4
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not true, some idiot built it..or was that MP in a duel

	06-07-2003 07:43									#5
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Yeah, I think someone built it once right before it expired

	06-07-2003 07:44									#6
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someone built gw after it expired too..either that or waste 250+ shields on a settler

	06-07-2003 07:49									#7
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I think you're right, it was after it expired.

	06-07-2003 07:50									#8
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i like when someone builds GL and then gets sh!t from it..... hehe..especially in 3 man games

heck i think i dueled someone who built that too

	06-07-2003 09:44									#9
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Obviously Trev's strategy has progressed far boyond that of Horse

	06-07-2003 10:33									#10
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quote: Originally posted by rah Yeah, I think someone built it once right before it expired

Smarfart!

	06-07-2003 10:36									#11
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atawa bult The Oracle last game = very powerfull in a no tech trading game.

	06-07-2003 10:47									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Makeo i thought you were joking about starting the thread. Since trev is winning lets start a new one next sat.

Yes, I think all of us inc finbar will be here next Sat

	06-07-2003 10:47									#13
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yes it seems to require an adjustment in rules to make it valueable

	06-07-2003 12:52									#14
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That's why we changed it. Lasting till industrialization, you get some use out of it. It gets built every game.

	06-07-2003 13:06									#15
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obviously just joking about startinga new one.

	06-07-2003 13:38									#16
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Too late. Trev's already put you on his hit list. It's alphabetical. "M" for Makeo comes after "H" for Hydey.

	06-07-2003 15:48									#17
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Too late. Trev's already put you on his hit list. It's alphabetical. "M" for Makeo comes after "H" for Hydey.

Now I see why you are a writer.

	06-07-2003 17:13									#18
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Do you ever play civ Spike? You remind me of one of those strange people who hang around railway stations talking to the passengers but never get on a train.

	06-07-2003 17:45									#19
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Succession, comparison games when there is time. I hate railway stations.

	06-07-2003 18:16									#20
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you never play with us.

	06-07-2003 20:48									#21
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If you play no techtrading MP its quite good when combined with HG.

You just go early rep then and explode, the other players have no chance whatsoever to catch up since chances are you'll be the first to get Mono too.

In that game it paid off but I gues it all depends on settings.

	07-07-2003 04:01									#22
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I have come to the conclusion that the Oracle is a better wonder than the HG. This is because Myticism as a tech is generally more use than Pottery,as it aids temples and better lead in to other techs, also because it makes 2 unhappy people content benefiting 2 people in each city, the HG benefits 1 person only, so half as effective. On top of this during WLTK days on early republic, the limiting factor in maximising city growth is often too many unhappy people, rather than not enough happy people, so Oracle is a much better help here than HG is.

So as a consequence I will as a tactic keep bulding the Oracle, a much better choice than the HG for early Republic gov't

	07-07-2003 16:55									#23
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There you go Horse , that’s why he built it.

	07-07-2003 17:16									#24
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300 shields vs 200. And it expires too early. (unless you've extended it). But more importantly since we've extended it, Mono isn't as high on people's priority list anymore. Some of the war techs now are desired first.

	07-07-2003 17:42									#25
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Also some of these games are limited city games IIRC. HG is much more powerful (and cheaper) than Oracle in a non-limited duel for example.

But given the right circumstances it probably is closer.......... to Trev for experimenting.

	08-07-2003 06:20									#26
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The Oracle is going to expire about 10 turns after he built it.

	08-07-2003 07:26									#27
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I have a sufficient tech lead in this game that it is very likely that I will have close to 100 turns of benefit from the Oracle (It's use has not been extended, but in 1x1x deity where learning is slower than the 2x2x games it is not necessary), and the immediate benefit has been sufficient anyway.

The immediate benefit has been to put all entertainers back to work ( 3 or 4 I think) and also to reduce the luxury rate by 20%, adding 10% to science and 10% to tax. This change even if over 50 turns will easily justify the use of the Oracle

The other point is that I find unless you have a very good city site for production, it is costly before Republic government is attained to build wonders, upon achievement of republicism and trade, building wonders becomes much more viable for cities with mostly grassland terrain which is what I had in this game. There were no hills available for mining on my island.

Therefore building the HG in this case was not viable and in fact I do not have the pottery tech yet because I never desired it's building in this game, but in other games where my productive capacity is higher that may well be different

	08-07-2003 09:12									#28
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oracle is a great wonder , if you have temples....combined with hg it makes for a lethal combo..... rep govt here we come!