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BeBro is offline BeBro
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From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3048624.stm

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Turkey takes soldiers crisis to Cheney

The Turkish Government says it is taking its complaint about the alleged detention of 11 of its soldiers by American forces to US vice-president **** Cheney.

After a crisis meeting overnight between prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and senior officials, government spokesman Cemil Cicek said Mr Erdogan would speak to Mr Cheney on the phone at 1345 GMT on Sunday.

Reports that Turkish special forces troops were detained in the Iraqi city of Sulaymaniyah on Friday has provoked outrage in Turkey.

But there has been no official word from Washington, and uncertainty continues about the Turkish soldiers' fate.

Around 100 US soldiers are said to have stormed a barracks used by Turkish troops in Sulaymaniyah, arresting 11 soldiers and six civilians.

Turkish newspapers suggested the troops were detained on suspicion of planning an attack on a regional governor.

"It's a totally ugly incident, it's something that shouldn't have happened," said Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday.

The prime minister added that some of the soldiers had been released.

But his foreign minister Abdullah Gul contradicted this shortly afterwards.

He said he had spoken by phone to US Secretary of State Colin Powell on Saturday, and had been told the soldiers were being held in Baghdad.

Government spokesman Cemil Cicek said the discussion between Mr Erdogan and Mr Cheney on Sunday would help the two allies put the dispute behind them.

"We hope that there will be no more unacceptable events like this," he said.


Soured relations

Turkey has threatened unspecified retaliation for the alleged detentions.

Turkey's NTV television station said Ankara was considering closing its airspace to US military flights, stopping the use of the southern Incirlik air base and sending more troops into northern Iraq.

For decades, Washington regarded its Nato ally as a firm friend, but the war in Iraq created unprecedented tension between them.

Relations soured when Turkey refused to allow US forces to be stationed on its territory in the run-up to the conflict in Iraq.

The BBC's Ankara correspondent, Jonny Dymond, says northern Iraq is still perceived by Turkey as part of its sphere of influence.

Ankara has long feared the creation of an independent Kurdish state in northern Iraq which could encourage separatist aspirations among its own Kurdish population.

Since the end of the war, most Iraqi Kurdish leaders have stuck to the line that they are seeking autonomy rather than outright independence.

But several thousand Turkish troops have remained within northern Iraq, ostensibly to keep track of the movements of Turkish Kurdish guerrillas.


I was quite busy during the last days, didn´t read much news, so I have no idea what to make of it.

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I read an article in the Sac Bee (syndicated through Rueters) about this. Apparently the Turks sent a group of special forces into northern Iraq to capture and/or assassinate several Kurdish officials connected with the 25+ year old Kurdish revolt in eastern Turkey. The US was pissed off because the Turks sent hit squads into Iraq with out first clearing things with Washington so the Turkish Commandos got arrested and will now be deported back to Turkey.

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Well, I´m just surprised the Turks did this, and then they wonder about the consequences, even think about retaliation (eg. closing Turkey´s airspace for US). They should expect a reaction from the US if they try to interfere in this way (act against US allies).

Also, if they get actively involved in open military action against the Kurds in Iraq their chances to get in the Eu will certainly not become bigger....

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This really puts the US in a bind. They can't let the Turks run around shotting all the Kurds they don't like but they don't want to piss off the Turks ether. The Kurds are pissed and what the Americans to do something to punish the Turks. Mean while the Americans want to try to smooth things over between the Turks & Kurds (since they need both) and are incouraging the Turks to bring legal cases (either in Turkey or through the Hague) against those Kurds who they believe commited acts of terrorism in Turkey.

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Does Turkey have oil? if not, those guys are ****ed.

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This really puts the US in a bind. They can't let the Turks run around shotting all the Kurds they don't like but they don't want to piss off the Turks ether. The Kurds are pissed and what the Americans to do something to punish the Turks. Mean while the Americans want to try to smooth things over between the Turks & Kurds (since they need both) and are incouraging the Turks to bring legal cases (either in Turkey or through the Hague) against those Kurds who they believe commited acts of terrorism in Turkey.


Sometimes to do the right thing, you have to piss some people off.

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"It's a totally ugly incident, it's something that shouldn't have happened," said Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday.


I bet Powell said the same thing to him don't you think.

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I doubt you will have Turkish Special Forces guys trying to assassinate Kurdish leaders anytime soon, now that they know that the US will take it public no problem.

Mission accomplished. I'm surprised that we were on top of our game enough to stop it.

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So how exactly are you guys going to resolve the conflict between them?

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So how exactly are you guys going to resolve the conflict between them?



Special envoy Judge Judy reports to the region on Friday.

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Notice how Cheney's first name always gets cut out by the censor-thingy?

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Notice how Cheney's first name always gets cut out by the censor-thingy?

Yes, it makes press articles look insulting and not-family-friendly

Odin is offline Odin
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Why can't the Turks be rational and give Kurdistan it's independance.

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