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Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:29
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Market + Library ASAP. Then start Copernicus prebuild. |
Definitely. This should be a priority over any courthouses in any lousy desert towns.
Question: where do we plan to build Smith's?
Last edited by Shiber on 07-07-2003 at 19:11
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vulture
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Leeds, UK
Jun 2001
time: 05:29
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A unilateral invasion of one Bob civ by us would have us at war with all three of them (although it may just be for show from GoW). With an alliance with GoW, it doesn't really matter what ND and RP think about it since they are going to be the targets, although we can continue to trade with ND. Given our comments about supplying iron to Vox at the end of the war, ND might take a dim view of us supplying GoW with iron, which we'd need to do in the event of an alliance between us. GoW would have to accept that we'd expect to keep territory conquered from RP if things go well.
The problem here is timing. If we are going to be the active participants, we need mutual trust between us and GoW that we will both attack at the same time. It would be easy for GoW to set us up by organising the alliance, warning ND and RP what is coming, and we end up on the wrong end of the dog pile, with GoW hoping to capitalise on betraying the triple alliance later by taking a chunk out of ND. Conversely, will GoW be happy to be the first ones to declare war, knowing there is a danger we'll leave them to fend for themselves for a while before jumping in to take lots of badly defended territory when the war has worn everyone down.
I've gone into thinking out loud mode, so this may not have any coherent point any more.
Question: can we keep it as two, two way fights (us vs RP, GoW vs ND), or will there be mutual declerations of war everywhere to complicate matters.
Or is it worth trying to arrange a 3 way attack on RP?
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:29
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The 3-way attack on RP is just so much messier. Who gets what?
Nah, I'd prefer the 2 vs. 2. How do we keep it that way? Well, Lego is the only wildcard, and I honestly doubt they can do much about it. How many galleys do you think they have?
I have considered the possibility of a GoW double-cross, but I don't think they will do it. There is much for them to gain from an alliance with us. And I kinda sense they're up for it.
Start of the war: it kinda depends. We told GoW that we would give a 2 turn warning prior to cancellation of a luxury deal, but I'm unclear on what we've told the other teams. I'll have to check the RP diplo thread. If we have to give them 1 turn warning, it sucks, but we gotta do what we said we would do. Hence, GoW declares and attacks ND. We declare on RP, wait 1 turn, and land & attack.
-Arrian
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Aeson
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orangesoda
Nov 2001
time: 22:29
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ETA on Astronomy is 15-20(+1) turns. Copernicus is 400 shields, and we can hold 20 shields per turn in Hurricane for about 10 more turns? It will take us 22-24 turns to build it I think.
If Lego is timing a prebuild, they would beat us even if we were able to finish it on time though. We could fall back and build Smith's or Leo's (600 shields) if we do miss it. Smith's is very important as it is useful and also would trigger Lego's GA peacefully. Magellan's is the only other wonder up to the UN that is Commercial. The swing in being the one with Smith's, instead of one of the one's who don't, could very well mean 400+gpt by the Modern Era. That could mean close to a 25% increase in the size of our supportable army, or in how fast we can research. Smith's is the one we should view as necessary, Copernicus would be nice. Lucky for us, we can time Economics perfectly if we want to. 
If we are going to war, it costs us almost 9 Knights though. We have a rather large army at this point, and mostly it's going to be gold that helps us become dominant militarily though. We have well over 1000g in upgrades to do right?
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Has Lego started building the Sistene Chapel yet? If not, they are probably using their Palace as a prebuild for it, meaning they couldn't have a (well timed) prebuild in place for Copernicus.
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Aeson
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orangesoda
Nov 2001
time: 22:29
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I think it would be best to leave GoW out of it somehow actually. Long term NAP's with ND and GoW (that we let them talk us into), then a 'blessing' (as in, we wouldn't join in such a war against GoW) to GoW on the GoW+RP vs ND option, and then act on our own against RP. The end result is pretty much the same (other than not making an enemy of ND). We also end up not having any strings attached to help GoW in case ND ends up beating them or at least holding them off.
Problems with these types of plans is if they end up public, and they probably almost always will end up public at least in the "hey, you didn't hear it from me" sense. RP knowing we have long term NAP's with ND and GoW isn't as bad as RP and ND finding out we have an alliance with GoW against them. If GoW were backstabbing us, it would end up GS vs Bob. No, let's not put our fate in the hands of GoW.
Riders are good, but remember that they are only 3 move units, attacking against 3 and 6 move units (on roads) while on the offensive. If ND is using a similar amount of shields in Pikes, Cats, and Med Inf, they will beat down a purely Rider army unless they are caught with their pants down. If GoW is using Cats, Pikes, and Med Inf to support their Riders, it reduces the individual power of Riders to not much more than ND's Med Inf since they can move 3 tiles on their roads. They end up pretty much on even terms with ND overall, and I wouldn't be suprised if it results in a stalemate. Even if ND won't have Chivalry till later in the war.
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