07-07-2003 01:41									#1
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The Colossus is complete! Yippee!

Anything to discuss this turn? (other than the glory of our new wonder, of course )

	07-07-2003 01:50									#2
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Ah, I'll repeat here: please send 230 gold+WM to Lego

And hurray on the Colossus

DeepO

	07-07-2003 04:35									#3
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So what' the wonder to be ours and how soon...

	07-07-2003 06:07									#4
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It's so... so... pretty.

	07-07-2003 07:41									#6
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Yahoo.

btw, I suggest we send 6gpt to Vox accepted. Let's get this Voxudus done with. I don't think they will give anything for it. I am sure they won't AAMOF.

Nathan, have a good look at Vox's deployments to make sure everything is cool.

	07-07-2003 09:28									#7
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I've been moving our WCs around up there since the ROP was signed, and everything looks fine.

	07-07-2003 09:29									#8
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO Ah, I'll repeat here: please send 230 gold+WM to Lego

I gather that means the Education deal is ready?

	07-07-2003 13:40									#9
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Opening the save...

	07-07-2003 13:43									#10
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Lego offers Education, countering with 230+WM accepted...

	07-07-2003 13:47									#11
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mmm... huge - phallic - object...
The Colossus is complete!
Several cities enter 'We Love the President Day'.
I'm assuming that we want to build a marketplace in Hurricane next, to take advantage of the new luxuries and to be able to reduce the lux slider to 0%.

	07-07-2003 13:47									#12
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I have it open too. Mirrored Shiber's transaction with Lego. Colossus is finished. I'm going to go ahead and rush a courthouse in Elipolis during the build phase, since what little input I got in the Elipolis thread supports keeping the city where it is.

	07-07-2003 13:48									#13
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Yes to the Marketplace in Hurricane, at least as far as I'm concerned.

	07-07-2003 13:52									#14
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither btw, I suggest we send 6gpt to Vox accepted. Let's get this Voxudus done with. I don't think they will give anything for it. I am sure they won't AAMOF.

Did they say, what they're going to do with this money, and how exactly it speeds their exodus?

	07-07-2003 13:53									#15
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Of course Hurricane needs a marketplace. It needs all monetary and research improvements ASAP.

	07-07-2003 13:54									#16
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I suppose that it has something to do with support costs, but I'd like to hear them give their excuse too.
And let's not give up on the 6 gpt so easily, we have to demand something in return - either make this a loan or we get Vox's WM once they've moved to Lego Land.

	07-07-2003 14:01									#17
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It's 8 turns off the agreed exodus time. Well worth 120g.

	07-07-2003 14:02									#18
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Can we rush the marketplace next turn?
I have no doubt that its cost-effective. It lets us have the commerce-boosting effect of a marketplace in Hurricane several (four?) turns earlier, and lets us reduce the lux slider to 0% as many turns earlier. Plus, it lets us start the library (next build?) sooner.

	07-07-2003 14:15									#19
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Are Vox still a despotism, or have they upgraded to monarchy or republic now? If they can't rush buy things, then the only possible use they have for the money is paying support costs, and I don't see how giving them the money for support will speed up the exodus - it just gives them the opportunity to take more of a military with them.

If they can rush buy, maybe we can give them the cash on the understanding that we get their WM once they know a bit about the Lego minor interior. If they are still despotic, then no way.

	07-07-2003 14:19									#20
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The financing is going to be close assuming the deal with Lego goes through on schedule, but I think we'll have just enough gold for a "rush a worker, change production to a courthouse, rush a courthouse, change production to a marketplace, and let the marketplace finish on schedule" double short rush strategy. We'll have to do it in the build phase next turn, but since EotS is scheduled to finish its library, that shoudn't be a problem. By the way, I'm thinking we'll probably want EotS to build a settler next since we'll need at least a couple more settlers and it can build a setlter as quickly as it can two workers at the moment.

	07-07-2003 14:20									#21
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By the way, Vox said explicitly that the reason they want the gpt is to deal with unit upkeep costs during the transition.

	07-07-2003 14:20									#22
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Aeson: that's inaccurate. There's not exactly an agreed Voxodus time, it's like those sales: by xx.yy.zzzz or until the stock runs out. In other words, there's an agreed Voxodus time but Vox must clear out sooner if they've emptied their cities sooner.
IMHO, now would be the time to take advantage of the clause that allows us to demand Vox for the information necessary to create a complete scenario of Northern Stormia and give them a step-by-step Voxodus plan, which they'll have to follow.

	07-07-2003 14:22									#23
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Vox is in Despotism (which is probably good for them while they're trying to move) and everyone else is in Republic. (It looks like RP changed governments somewhere along the line.) We're still militarily strong compared with everyone.

	07-07-2003 14:35									#24
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Shiber, I think if we push as hard as you seem to want to we'll cause more than 120 gold's worth of diplomatic damage. Once we get our marketplace in Hurricane, that's less than one turn's post-expenses gold. Or to look at it another way, it's the cost of short rushes to get ahead one pike during the war. We can afford it.

	07-07-2003 14:44									#25
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I'd like to wait one more turn to send the gold just to make sure Vox has a plan that's actually going to work. There's no sense in paying them to get out faster if they don't have their new capital ready to a point where we can be sure a palace jump will work (I think the plan is for them to give us Wittlich before we take The Voice), but assuming they have things ready, I'm inclined to give them the gold.

	07-07-2003 15:33									#26
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Turn and shots sent. After I sent the shots, I thought of a couple more tweaks to let Typhoon finish its courthouse next turn instead of the turn after and to give O.G. a couple extra shields that Bolderberg doesn't need to finish its aqueduct on schedule.

	07-07-2003 16:10									#27
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6gpt: Ask for their WM, there is no reason why they would deny us that. I don't mind giving them the money, even if it is not that clear why they'll need it (upkeep is only partly the reason, as they could indeed bring less units to Lego)

I agree on the rushed marketplace in Hurricane, but probably not on the library... I'm not perfectly clear on timing issues, but if we want to have a shot at building the research wonder (Newton's not it, the one that comes with Astronomy) in Hurricane, we have to start asap. Lego is probably already building it... and GoW still has a GL prebuild in their capital going

DeepO

	07-07-2003 18:14									#28
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO (Newton's not it, the one that comes with Astronomy)

Copernicus' Observatory

	07-07-2003 18:45									#29
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quote: The Colossus is complete!

quote: After I sent the shots, I thought of a couple more tweaks to let Typhoon finish its courthouse next turn instead of the turn after and to give O.G. a couple extra shields that Bolderberg doesn't need to finish its aqueduct on schedule.

Way to go, Nathan. It's little things like this that will keep us competitive despite our arid island homeland.

-Arrian, who just loves the Colossus.

	07-07-2003 18:49									#30
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Market + Library ASAP. Then start Copernicus prebuild.

-Arrian