07-07-2003 23:41									#1
	The Sunshine Constitution Discussion Remove this text

I am loathe to have us create a Constitution. It's so dull and uninspired. It doesn't really suit our free-form, happy, carefree style. However, without some central group of rules we can agree upon, we're going to continue to get nowhere.

I'd like to begin by calling this a "Compact" or "Commune". Better yet, we should pattern our team after a Socialist form of government. Not an evil, oppressive regime, but a legitimate commune/socialist system where we all own the government, cities, workers, etc, etc.

Imagine we're all hippies living together at a Commune somewhere, equally sharing the work and the responsibilities...

Here's some ideas I've got off the top of my head:

Leader of the Sunshine People -- A revolving position. Every 10 turns we are required by our compact to have a new leader. The Leader plays the save, makes decisions where none has been made, makes emergency decisions, and posts reports, etc.

Peacekeeper -- moves the peacekeeping forces.

Guru -- Our "wisest" team member decides what to research, names the units, and is our Judge whenever there is a disagreement on the laws or between the leaders.

Architect -- Chooses what to build in the cities.

Environmentalist -- Deals with the workers and improvements.

Friendly Relations -- Foreign Affairs, Public Relations, Ambassadors.

The Sunshine People (all of us) -- vote on all rules, elect all leaders, can overrule all leaders, can make laws, declare war, approve all deals, impeach leaders, etc, etc.

Simple majority for all rules.

Leader serves for 10 turns, all other offices serve for 20, but we should stagger them, appoint half by turn 10, and the other half by turn 20. Until all of them are appointed, we can simply poll for how to do their orders.

Please post your suggestions.

--Togas

	08-07-2003 01:38									#2
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Is the Friendly Relations more then one person? I think there should be two people in it. One that is the ambassador and one does all the trading and that other sunny stuff. What do people think?

	08-07-2003 01:39									#3
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As long as we don't use Monarchy or Communism I don't care how things are run.

	08-07-2003 04:47									#4
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Nuc, please expand upon your idea. Can you be more specific about what the two jobs would involve?

--Togas

	08-07-2003 10:26									#5
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I don't exactly know what Nuc's idea is, but I was wondering if we were going to have certain ambassadors to the other teams.

If so, I would like to volunteer to be an ambassador. I don't have a lot of free time this summer, and definitely won't be around for most of August, but I still really want to be involved in this game.

Various members could be appointed as ambassadors to the other teams and if one of us can't be around for a certain time period, then another team member could be apointed as temporary envoy.

As I see it, ambassadors would talk to representatives of other teams through PMs or IRC, and then post proposals on our forums.

Tell me what you think.

--Woog

	08-07-2003 23:04									#6
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This is my idea expanded. The Friendly Relations would be made up of TWO people. One person would be the ambassador to ALL nations and make official team posts. The other person would be like the normal FAM that does trades and stuff. Do you get it now?

	09-07-2003 08:11									#7
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I don't think that will work.

The person who talks to all of the nations needs to be able to make deals with them. It doesn't make sense to have one person do the trades, but have him give instructions to the ambassador to actually do the trades.

We could have one person supervise the ambassadorship (and have him appoint ambassadors for the other teams), and have one person do public relations posts .... but I don't see a reason to separate those two jobs. The job of making trades must ultimately fall upon the ambassadors.

--Togas

	10-07-2003 01:30									#8
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I agree with Togas.

Perhaps if there are not enough people interesetd, we'd mave someone take on multiple ambassadorships to other teams.

	10-07-2003 04:49									#9
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Are there any other ideas?

Is everyone pretty much happy with the FUNDAMENTAL concepts of this Constitution:

Leader for 10 turns.
Ministers for 20 turns.
Leader has power to make emergency decisions.
Ministers have authority over their areas.
People have power to make rules and decide other key issues.

Any other jobs? Any other problems with these jobs? I think ministers can have more than one job, since we have a very small team.

--Togas

	10-07-2003 11:28									#10
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This is my DRAFT of our Sunshine Compact. Please make suggestions and corrections:


THE PEOPLE OF THE SUNSHINE hereby agree to this compact and agree to abide by these rules to help us live a happy and peaceful life together in Sunshinia. We all have agreed to live together in this commune and share the responsibilities, and to ensure the safety and happiness of our brothers in the sun. May the people of Sunshinia live forever and spread across all parts of the globe!

We believe in optimism, happiness, peace, growth, freedom, and respect. This compact creates a communal government where many different Sunshine People perform service to help the whole. There shall be no powerful dictators or authoritarian rule in our nation. The people of Sunshinia and this Compact forbid it.

RIGHTS

All of the people of Team Sunshine have the following rights:

Access to the save
Freedom to make laws and vote in all polls.
Freedom to run for election in any leadership poll.
Freedom to have any issue decided by our Guru.
Freedom of speech


LEADERS

One individual will be chosen every 10 turns to be the Leader of the Sunshine People

That leader shall have the following powers/responsibilities:
Play the save
Appoint any assistants and delegate powers to them.
Resolve any conflicting orders.
Make emergency decisions.
Perform any orders that were not given by a minister.
Lead the people by creating threads, discussions, and starting polls.
Post all results and screenshots.
Admits new members.

The Leader must follow all legal orders of the Directors.

The Leader may not serve more than 10 consecutive turns unless none of the other Sunshine people agree to serve.

The Leader may be removed at any time by a majority vote.

The Directors of the People

The following Directors shall be selected by the people and shall serve a 20 turn term:

Peacekeeper
Responsible for moving all of our units that are not workers or settlers. Also responsible for doing espionage (but needs Leader's consent)

Guru
The wisest of us all, he chooses our path of research, names our units, and resolves any disputes of law.

Architect
Chooses what is built in every city and where the workforces will go.

Environmentalist
Controls our workers and improves the environment around us.

Sexologist
Chooses where to place new cities and controls settlers.

Director of Friendly Relations
Greets, negotiates, and makes deals with other nations. Speaks to the public on our behalf. Directs and appoints all ambassadors.

Rules:

A person may have more than 1 job.
A Director or Leader may be replaced at any time by the people with a majority vote.
The People may pass laws by a simple majority. Those laws must be followed by all Leaders and Directors unless there is an emergency.
There are no term limits, however, team members are strongly encouraged to step down if another individual wants to serve. It is the way of our people to share responsibility and to trade jobs amongst each other.
Things shall be polled as often as possible and practical.

The following things require polls:
War
Peace
Trade deals
Treaties

--Togas

Last edited by Togas on 10-07-2003 at 23:50

	10-07-2003 12:01									#11
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I like it!

Except one part: The Leader may not serve another 10 turns unless none of the other Sunshine people agree to serve.


It should read:The Leader may not serve more than 10 consecutive turns unless none of the other Sunshine people agree to serve.

So that way a person can be a leader more than once. We will run out of leaders otherwise.


Also, how are the leaders elected? Or do we set up a revolving list of leader's ahead of time so we can plan for such things as vacations, school, and other things to do with RL.

The same question could apply for Directors aslo...

	10-07-2003 23:51									#12
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I have added BigFree's change. Please continue to make recommendations and suggestions.

--Togas

	21-07-2003 19:52									#13
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Q: Can a person be nominated for more than one position and, if so, how will it be handled? I am interested in multiple positions. I would hate to sign up for just one, lose it, and then not be in any.

	22-07-2003 00:24									#14
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quote: Originally posted by HarryH Q: Can a person be nominated for more than one position and, if so, how will it be handled? I am interested in multiple positions. I would hate to sign up for just one, lose it, and then not be in any.

Certainly!

For one, we have a very small team and we really need people to get involved.

For two, our Compact says that we have to right to run for ANY leadership post, there's no term limits or job limits.

Please, run for as many as you can handle.

--Togas