10-07-2003 01:41									#31
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ph33r the Canadian Navy!

http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml

	10-07-2003 02:21									#32
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obviously a "modified" picture...

	10-07-2003 04:27									#33
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm There is no reason why there has to be war in this scenario.

hi ,

ever heard of the roman missile crisis , ......

its all about what would have , could have happend to history , ....

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	10-07-2003 13:04									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 I did hear the Swiss navy received an invite to the opening of the Panama Canal (true!). Haven't heard if the Swiss bothered to send anyone anyway.

The Swiss can get a navy to the opening of the canal by renting than other nation warship for a short peroid an haveing it fly the Swiss Flag.

	10-07-2003 13:13									#35
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hi ,

here is the swiss navy ; http://www.swissnavy.ch/

http://www.military.ch/SRC/


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quote: Originally posted by BigDork Wait, you mean the Mayans and Incans didn't have a war? Next you'll be telling me the Bolivian navy isn't one of the strongest in South America.

It was, until their battleship the 'Santa Cruz' was sunk by a Peruvian submarine on Lake (actually, a sea) Titicaca in October 1946.

	10-07-2003 13:29									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Mountain Sage It was, until their battleship the 'Santa Cruz' was sunk by a Peruvian submarine on Lake (actually, a sea) Titicaca in October 1946.

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	10-07-2003 13:39									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 I did hear the Swiss navy received an invite to the opening of the Panama Canal (true!). Haven't heard if the Swiss bothered to send anyone anyway.

Now this is getting patriotic and emotional...
Of course we have a navy. panag just demonstrated it.
For the last G8 on the Lake of Geneva, the Swiss government wanted to lease the Theodore Roosvelt, but the Americans informed us that it was already busy in the Gulf. Then they offered the Carl Vinson but the French authorities refused permission for the ship to sail the Rhone from Marseille to Geneva. As to prevent a diplomatic incident, and for obvious marketing reasons, since Switzerland plans to boost his 3-lakes battlefleets (Geneva, Constance, 4-Cantons), they offered the Charles de Gaulle.
Unfortunately for them, their offer was turned down since our FA-18 could not land on it.

You should really pay attention to your history lessons...

	10-07-2003 16:54									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Chilean President Agree Besides the game have multiples civs and we can 'see' a battle between America vs Carthage, that is not reason for telling us that the new xp have "famous historical campaigns" and mix up the Mayans and the Incas. It's incredible.

Hmmmm. That's probably my fault -- might have missed that with the copywriters when we were handing out short summaries of the various Conquests to the press. As you can read in the GameSpot preview, the MesoAmerican scenario is focused on culture (though you can always win by eliminating all the other opponents).

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	10-07-2003 17:42									#40
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Thanks for clearing that up Jeff.

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Welcome to 'poly, Jeff!!

(and don't worry... we are, uh, used to, uh, some flubs. Deliver on what C3C looks like, and you'll be a god around here.)

	10-07-2003 22:27									#42
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The Mayans were earlier in history than both the Aztecs and the Incans, who only lasted for about 100-300 years and never fought.

Also, there are plenty of crackpot conspiracy theories about the Mayans, but I'm sure Firaxis won't include those in the scenario.

	10-07-2003 23:03									#43
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Culture points from ritual sacrifice

	10-07-2003 23:12									#44
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Are you the real Jeff Foley?

	11-07-2003 00:23									#45
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Welcome Jeff and thanks for the explanation

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quote: Originally posted by Alex Are you the real Jeff Foley?

He is.

He's posted quite a lot at CFC, but shyed away from here.

	11-07-2003 00:49									#47
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quote: but shyed away from here

I can't imagine why...

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	11-07-2003 01:20									#48
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Welcome jeff! Thanks for the clarification!

	11-07-2003 01:27									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Trip He is. He's posted quite a lot at CFC, but shyed away from here.

May never have posted, but quite frequently lurking.

And apologies for never having posted before. Problem was due to a technical difficulty on my end... what I used to call an "eye-dee-ten-tee" problem, once upon a time. (I.D.10.T.) I would try to post, be given an error message, and just tell myself I'd figure it out later. Then I realized today that I never confirmed my registration. Duh.

We just got back from the first leg of our press tour yesterday, and GameSpot was the first to post a preview. So naturally I'm on the forums more this week, reading your reactions, praise, damnations, and occasional trolling.

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	11-07-2003 03:08									#50
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Thanks for pointing that out, Jeff!

	11-07-2003 09:16									#51
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quote: Originally posted by BigDork Wait, you mean the Mayans and Incans didn't have a war? Next you'll be telling me the Bolivian navy isn't one of the strongest in South America.

Bolivia did at one time have a coastline on the Pacific Ocean. From a website:

Some of these Bolivian dictators involved themselves in the internal struggles of Peru (in which Chile also intervened), while others struggled to prevent the annexation of Bolivia by Peru. The position of Bolivia's boundaries was uncertain and subject to conflict. However, Bolivian territory extended to the Pacific and included most of the coast of the Atacama desert and the port of Antofagasta. The discovery of rich nitrate deposits in the Atacama desert and rising border tensions led the outbreak of war betweeen Chile and Bolivia (1879-1883), in which Peru participated on the side of Bolivia. Chile's victory in this war resulted in Bolivia's loss of its outlet to the Pacific. Efforts, mainly political, to regain some outlet to the sea failed. The railway which linked Bolivia with the Pacific coast (Oruro-Antofagasta) was inaugurated in 1892.

	11-07-2003 10:34									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Myrddin Culture points from ritual sacrifice

Believe it or not it was an honor back then to be sacrificed.

If you are familiar with the ball game the Mayans used to play (kind of a wierd mix between football and basketball) the captain in the winning team was the one lucky enough to be sacrificed to the gods...

so, being intrinsically linked to even sporting events, ritual sacrifice IMO does count as a cultural issue.

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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Believe it or not it was an honor back then to be sacrificed.

It certainly was - for some. At least it was considered honorable by those who were not sacrificed. But still, those sacrificed were the losers in battle. But they went to the Warrior's paradise, that's for sure.

quote: If you are familiar with the ball game the Mayans used to play (kind of a wierd mix between football and basketball) the captain in the winning team was the one lucky enough to be sacrificed to the gods...

That's a hoax AFAIK. It's generally agreed that the losers got sacrificed. And often, the game was sports and people lost considerable sums in biddings, or so report the croniclers. But that was in later times of course, when the religious component slowly faded away. Doubtlessly though, not at every game there was a sacrifice, the players wouldn't become very good in the game that way. But by pictorial evidence it's clear that the game was especially religious and also connected to fertility gods. (In some illustrations the blood that squirts out of the victim transforms into vegetation).

Oh, and the game was played all over Mesoamerica, not only among the Mayans. But the best evidence we have of the religious importance is about the classical Mayans.

	11-07-2003 22:49									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Danarchy You're crazy. Everyone knows that Paraguay has the strongest navy in South America.

The Kreigsmarine, no?

	11-07-2003 22:53									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Quasar1011 Chile's victory

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	12-07-2003 00:40									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Jeff_ATARI Hmmmm. That's probably my fault -- might have missed that with the copywriters when we were handing out short summaries of the various Conquests to the press. As you can read in the GameSpot preview, the MesoAmerican scenario is focused on culture (though you can always win by eliminating all the other opponents). Enjoy! Jeff Foley Sr. Brand Manager Atari

hi ,


, like the sacrifice of a worker , as to be seen in a screenshot , ......

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