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Can't believe the beating Thin Red Line is taking. Loved the movie, as for someones criticism of the voice-overs, when I was watching it I got the impression that it wasn't taking place at the same time as the action. Loved the slow dreamy feel of it. I can understand why people who like war movies wouldn't like it though, as it isn't a traditional type.
I'm glad someone mentioned Come and See. I was trying to remember that name while reading this thread. I still don't know if I liked it or not, it was absolutely unbearable to watch, mainly because it was so good in portraying the atrocity of it all. So I guess I would call it a good war movie.
Another great is Seven Beauties, an Italian film that deals with an Italian deserter (go figure) getting caught by Germans and thrown into a concentration camp. Come to think of it I'm not sure you could onsider this a war movie but for the fact that it happens during the war. Anyway its absolutely hilarious, Giancarlo Giannini is amazing.
I love seeing foreign war movies as there are so many from the american point of view. Anyone know if there are any good Japanese war movies?
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Lung
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of my princess Anastasia!
Mar 1999
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This just makes me wanna go out and hire war movies!!! 
I quite liked TRL, but i can understand why other people didn't, as it was slow  Movies like that depend mostly on your mood at the time of seeing it. I actually hated 2001, but i was 13 at the time. I saw it again as an adult, and it still bored my shitless.
However, i have since read the book, loved it to death, and want to see it again. This time i'll fast forward the excruciatingly slow bits, and i'm sure i'll like it 
I loved Saving Private Ryan, despite the ordinary plot. Braveheart was great except for the poetic license they took on history, and Gladiator was quite simply a great yarn.
I can't remember Guns of Navarone, except for the fact that i liked it, and i'm still waiting to get a copy of Apocalypse Now! 
Also, am i the only one here that fears what Oliver Stone and Baz Lurhman are likely to do with their respective portayals of Alexander the Great? 
Personally, i think the truth will be somewhat in between the bloodthirsty maniac and the singing and dancing versions that those directors are likely to portray 
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by DanS
Well, he did say they were for "internal consumption". 
The Germans are always portrayed as very organized and capable in US WWII movies--why would they be worth fighting otherwise? I wonder why Russian war movies are so different... |
This is exactly what I meant, DanS.
Those movies were created during Soviet times and sure contained some propaganda, but in comparison with enemy at the gates, they were just fine. Those Soviets movies were for 'internal consumption', like for example Pearl Harbor. Imho, Pearl Harbor sucks, but I guess Americans like it.
I guess if Russian director will shoot a movie about French army in WW2, then more probably French will find this movie stupid, inaccurate and insulting. I feel the same about 'enemy at the gates'. This movie is insult to Russians. I guess we should retaliate and create something like- "The white flag"- a heroic saga about defence of Paris. A movie where French will be shown running with tails between their legs every time they see an enemy.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Pekka
Also had the famous Mannerheim-line, simular to Maginot line. Never was penetrated. |
Actually it was penetrated.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Why? The portrayal of the Soviet Army in "Enemy At The Gates" was completely accurate.  |
Yeah, right. Like commisars with whistles, like war corespondents acting like paparaci (sp?), like 'human wave' attack, like boy wearing short pants in the middle of winter, not to mention he was very clear for citizen of completely destroyed city, like German officer giving chocolate to Russian boy when in reallity Germans were happy when they catch a rat for dinner, like Khrushev and Zaitsev warshiping to Stalin's portrait like to some kind of idol, like destroyed T-34/85 on streets of Stalingad when T-34/85 was not created yet, like Russian women, her son and Zaitsev's girl freind living in house when in reallity people lived in sewers because city was completely destroyed by bombs and there were less than half of a dozen undestroyed houses, like unshaved Russian soldier who trained Zaitsev, like Russian soldiers singing in the baracks, like female soldier and her cosmetics etc, etc, etc. It's only a tip of the iceberg.
This movie is compete sh!t and insult to Russians and to memory of people who fought in Stalingrad, to people like my grandfather.
F*ck this director, f*ck his team of morons who created this sh!t.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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You know nothing about our war. You're full of mythic crap and fairy tales.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Pekka
Serb, nah, that's what your teacher claims. It held. If someone crosses a foot cross the lines, it doesn't mean it is penetrated.!1 |
This is what some books I read about winter war claims. It was penetrated from second attempt and it was the major reason why Finland agreed to territorial demands of SU and lost part of its territory. The line was broken and road to Helsenki was open. You government had no choice, but to accept the demands. If line wasn't broken what's the point to give up?
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:29
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Serb, it wasn't broken! !1!11 But it would have been soon. There was two options:
1.) We were promised help from the UK. They were about to send men , but had to go through Sweden, and we didn't know if they would let them come through their lands. It was 50/50... So, we were about to fall, but with the help of UK, we could have continued. Continue fighting and trust that the UK comes....... if they come and if Sweden let's them come. If we didn't get them, we'd be toast.
2.) make peace, accept the terms of peace which were tough but doable...
So you see, it was a difficult situation. And if we would have continued, it would have been more serious for us. Just like we didn't cut the support routes for your fighting in eastern front, even when Hitler demanded it. Why not? War would end some day, and then it would be the day of looking back what everyone did.
It wasn't broken, the line I mean, but it was about to brake. BUT IT WASN'T BROKEN DAMN IT!
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Pekka
Serb, it wasn't broken! !1!11 But it would have been soon. There was two options:
1.) We were promised help from the UK. They were about to send men , but had to go through Sweden, and we didn't know if they would let them come through their lands. It was 50/50... So, we were about to fall, but with the help of UK, we could have continued. Continue fighting and trust that the UK comes....... if they come and if Sweden let's them come. If we didn't get them, we'd be toast.
2.) make peace, accept the terms of peace which were tough but doable...
So you see, it was a difficult situation. And if we would have continued, it would have been more serious for us. Just like we didn't cut the support routes for your fighting in eastern front, even when Hitler demanded it. Why not? War would end some day, and then it would be the day of looking back what everyone did.
It wasn't broken, the line I mean, but it was about to brake. BUT IT WASN'T BROKEN DAMN IT! |
Pekka, it wasn broken.
January 15 1940: Soviet artilery started massive bombardments of Finnish defences. After 16 days of bombardments 140 000 of Soviet soldiers and more than 2000 Soviet tanks started offensive operation in Karelia. After two weeks of intensive combat at February 17 Finnish defenses were broken. February 22: Feild marshal Mannergeim ordered withdrawal of Finnish forces. Red Army broken Mannergeim's line and captured city Vyborg, however Finnish army wasn't completely destroyed yet. At the end of February 1940 Finnish-Soviet talks started and at March 12 the peace treaty was signed. Finland lost: Karelia with city of Vyborg, north-east bank of Ladozhskoe lake, port Hancko and peninsula Rybachi. (overall 34 000 square km of territory).
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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Who the hell is this Smirnoff guy? |
A great Russian comedian, as evidenced by his status as a two-time Comedian of the Year in Branson, Missouri. |
Then explain yourself. I was absolutely serious.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:29
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Yeah, but it wasn't broken. It wasn't broken. (!)
Also you're getting the names wrong. What are you using as your sources?
So you admit invading Karelia, which was rightfully ours. When are you going to give it back?
I must also really critisize the sources of that information. If it was near destruction, then how come it was able to do continuation war, which was longer and far more deadly with such effeciency?
It's not too late to give wrongful lands back that does not belong to you, or never will belong to you in the eyes of justice. It's not too late. You don't even need it, there's nothing in it that you'd benefit. Only few people live there. They can continue living there after you hand it back to us. They'll get better benefits, since we don't have so much to take care of, so we can focus better on the area, that is problem area now (poor).
It's only 60 years, you can give it back right now, and we can party there together and celebrate justice and a new era of friendship. Why not?
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Pekka
Yeah, but it wasn't broken. It wasn't broken. (!)
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It was broken. It was broken after second attempt. (!)
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Also you're getting the names wrong. What are you using as your sources? |
I'm using Russian names. I have no idea how to type Finnish "Vyppurii" using English letters. My sources? It's well know known fact that line was broken. If you wish you can consider memoirs of general Kirill Meretskov as my source, another source is book "Secret advisor of cheif".
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So you admit invading Karelia, which was rightfully ours. When are you going to give it back? |
Never of course.
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11-07-2003 01:43
ACK!
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It added an entirely new level to the term 'moronic' 
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