09-07-2003 07:41									#1
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Due to recent information I have recieved, I am no longer fit to play the ACDG as it would give certain factions a (dis)advantage.

But dont worry, I'll still hand around the AC-Democracy forums

	09-07-2003 07:56									#2
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An honourable move Tass. Perhaps, after his work on the CNN in ACDG 1, we might be able to give Tass the job of Official Historian? Like Trip in the PtW ACDG? Just an idea, what do others (especially Tass) think?

	09-07-2003 08:09									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue An honourable move Tass. Perhaps, after his work on the CNN in ACDG 1, we might be able to give Tass the job of Official Historian? Like Trip in the PtW ACDG? Just an idea, what do others (especially Tass) think?

I'd love that.

	09-07-2003 08:51									#4
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I agree. We are proud of you Tass for being honest and truthful for the spirit of the game.

	09-07-2003 10:29									#5
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Just make sure it is funny Tass. A dull list of events makes not good reading.

	09-07-2003 10:39									#6
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If factions are agreeable I could deputize Tass as an Assistant God

(Assistant God anagrams to Tass isn't a God, BTW)



Very helpful when I'm on vacation, and generally another head to bounce ideas off - I could share the starting map and passwords with him, and while he's writing the Official History of ACDG-2 I can continue with my View from Above Progenitors' angle.

What do others think (and Tass, especially)????

G.

	09-07-2003 10:50									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie If factions are agreeable I could deputize Tass as an Assistant God

quote: (Assistant God anagrams to Tass isn't a God, BTW)

(For now. Once I become assistant...)

quote: Very helpful when I'm on vacation, and generally another head to bounce ideas off - I could share the starting map and passwords with him, and while he's writing the Official History of ACDG-2 I can continue with my View from Above Progenitors' angle. What do others think (and Tass, especially)???? G.

Yeah, definately!

Do you have any Online Instant Messengers?

	09-07-2003 10:57									#8
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i also want a dry version of history.

	09-07-2003 10:58									#9
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Got my own chat room :

http://googlie2.tripod.com/spartanchronicles/id9.html

G.

	09-07-2003 11:44									#10
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Does one step down? from the Hive?

Is this related to the now imfamous 'Elias Howe Day Purge' of the Hive (actually conducted over 3 days and known by some as '3 Days in July') that Googlie proclaimed in the Turn Thread? Apparently it takes three days to edit out all of Tass's posts and all references to Tass from the ACDG areas (and we can all only imagine how many posts Tass made in the internal Hive forum). After this, Tass will not exist in the ACDG forum and will never have existed. Long live Tass!

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you prefer), much of this post will not exist either.

Wasn't Tass another 'news' organ, a counterpart to Pravda in the USSR? Like one was the government thing and the other the party?

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	09-07-2003 12:20									#11
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quote: Originally posted by johndmuller Wasn't Tass another 'news' organ, a counterpart to Pravda in the USSR? Like one was the government thing and the other the party?

Itar-Tass is what your thinking about

And..hmm.....I could write the history in 3 forms:

1. News Organization ("Today, President Drogue and Chairman Voltaire announced that they would be exchanging reproduction technology. The deal, nicknamed 'The Claire Forlani Exchange', would be ratified by the Peoples Assembly Council of the Human Hive and the Blahblah Council of the Cybernetic Conciousness tomorrow.")
2. Progressive Story ("Die.....Ugh...." Said Forman Whatshisname, as his jet-black weapon was pryed from his cold, dead fingers.")
3. Bibleish ("And the Lord Drogue came down forth from the fields of Droguesville, and embraced Mistress Forlani.")
4. Boring history ("Year 4092606 - University Builds Moscow. Year 4092607 -Chairman Voltaire steps down as Chairman of the Human Hive.")
5. Some odd combination of it all

Which would be best? Which do the PEOPLE prefer?

	09-07-2003 13:05									#12
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quote: 1. News Organization ("Today, President Drogue and Chairman Voltaire announced that they would be exchanging reproduction technology. The deal, nicknamed 'The Claire Forlani Exchange', would be ratified by the Peoples Assembly Council of the Human Hive and the Blahblah Council of the Cybernetic Conciousness tomorrow.")

After much pestering from Tass I will have to go with one, but all of them sound good...

	09-07-2003 18:46									#13
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No Tass you have to write in at least two styles. Giving up 4 of the 5 ways of us benefiting from your creativity is too great of a loss. Did you think being an assistant god is an easy job? You don't normally sleep anyway, do you?

	09-07-2003 21:15									#14
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quote: Due to recent information I have recieved, I am no longer fit to play the ACDG as it would give certain factions a (dis)advantage.

quote: An honourable move Tass.

quote: I agree. We are proud of you Tass for being honest and truthful for the spirit of the game.

quote: Does one step down? from the Hive? Is this related to the now imfamous 'Elias Howe Day Purge' of the Hive (actually conducted over 3 days and known by some as '3 Days in July') that Googlie proclaimed in the Turn Thread? Apparently it takes three days to edit out all of Tass's posts and all references to Tass from the ACDG areas (and we can all only imagine how many posts Tass made in the internal Hive forum). After this, Tass will not exist in the ACDG forum and will never have existed. Long live Tass!

Am I the only one who doesn't understand at all what's going on and why?

	09-07-2003 21:20									#15
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Nope-- I have no idea either except for the things you quoted

	09-07-2003 21:25									#16
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My understanding is that Comrade Tass somehow stumbled upon some insider knowledge that could benefit or harm certain factions. Being truthful to the spirit of the game he decided that he will not participate the ACDG as a Hiver so that the Hive will not benefit from his knowlege. (Not that we wouldn't like that considering the Hive's position on the power graph. But we Hivers consider our honor much more than our lives.)

As for the "3 days in July", it is mere speculations...

	10-07-2003 00:05									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Today, President Drogue and Chairman Voltaire announced that they would be exchanging reproduction technology. The deal, nicknamed 'The Claire Forlani Exchange', would be ratified by the Peoples Assembly Council of the Human Hive and the Blahblah Council of the Cybernetic Conciousness tomorrow.

quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 And the Lord Drogue came down forth from the fields of Droguesville, and embraced Mistress Forlani.

quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 5. Some odd combination of it all

I'd have to go for this. Part News (1), part Bibl-like (3) and a little of the story style (2). Basically, write some as each. Some can be as a story (like the view from above) and some can be as a newsletter to be published after, with story and Bible-like parts in it

	10-07-2003 07:24									#18
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Maniac, Flubber, et al:

In prosecuting his duties as a loyal Hive citizen, Tass stumbled over an in-game mechanism that I have been able to duplicate. It should prolly be covered in some future set of PBEM generally accepted rules (but I have not seen it to date, and (obviously) was unaware of its existence.

Analogous (but not exactly the same) as being able to read in-game commlink exchanges through a simple word program (which is why all such exchanges should be conducted by e-mail or via Private message), it gave Tass knowledge regarding all the other factions - such knowledge being not generally available at this point in the game.

As I said, I have been able to replicate this.

Without revealing what knowledge he has gained (except to me) Tass has voluntarily withdrawn from the Hive's deliberations.

As I see it, we have 3 options:

> Ban Tass completely from all further activities in ACDG-2. I think this is harsh and unwarranted, given that other options are available

> Empower all factions to perform the Tass Manoeuvre and let him remain with the Hive This option would have the effect of throwing the game somewhat out-of-kilter at these crucial times, and unnecessary, given that a 3rd option is available

> Raise Tass to my right hand, and round out his knowledge by having him as my alter ego, able to act in any capacity that I can act in, but mandated with the official history of the game This is my preferred alternative, as it maintains Tass' interests in the game, and doesn't punish him for an inadvertent stumbling over a game mechanics item that any one of us could have done

Obviously, I will abide by the will of the players, but my strong advocacy of Option 3 should, I think, set minds at ease that indeed Tass has done the honourable thing and I would count myself priveleged to work with him in this expanded capacity as joint overseer - and historian - of the game.

Googlie

	10-07-2003 08:47									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie > Ban Tass completely from all further activities in ACDG-2. I think this is harsh and unwarranted, given that other options are available

quote: > Empower all factions to perform the Tass Manoeuvre and let him remain with the Hive This option would have the effect of throwing the game somewhat out-of-kilter at these crucial times, and unnecessary, given that a 3rd option is available

Yep. Because I know what I know....well, the Hive would gain a CONSIDERABLE advantage. I prefer the third option as it does not unbalance the game.

quote: > Raise Tass to my right hand, and round out his knowledge by having him as my alter ego,

You mean...I would....become....one with YOU?!

Gladly! Though you know this would mean you would suffer from DID? Are you sure you wish to do this, Googlie?

	10-07-2003 08:55									#20
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LOL

DID = Diety in Duplicate ???

(and we could sign ourselves GT, thereby further confusing everyone)

	10-07-2003 08:58									#21
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lol
Please do not, my GooglieGod.

	11-07-2003 00:01									#22
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Googlie: Have PMed you, as there was some sensitive information in there.

	11-07-2003 00:26									#23
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If this "Tass Manouver" is one that could be used in all PBEMs then I'd rather not know. It'd be annoying knowing I'd have to do something to find out more information than I should (If I've understood correctly) in order to keep a level playing field.

On that basis, although I'd prefer that Tass not be made equal to Googlie, a historian would be a good position. Is that what the position entails or am I going loopy?

And why do we have 2 polls for the same thing currently?

C ß-5

	11-07-2003 00:55									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Chaunk If this "Tass Manouver" is one that could be used in all PBEMs then I'd rather not know. It'd be annoying knowing I'd have to do something to find out more information than I should (If I've understood correctly) in order to keep a level playing field.

Yep. And it would completly unbalance the game. Because then one person could, say, hack the SAV file and find out the locations, and EVERYTHING about EVERY faction. Complete game wrecker, IMO.

quote: On that basis, although I'd prefer that Tass not be made equal to Googlie, a historian would be a good position. Is that what the position entails or am I going loopy?

Well, in order to be historiann...I have to have access to each faction Don't worry though. I wont be able to close polls or anything like that. Just viewing and writing.

[QYITE] And why do we have 2 polls for the same thing currently?

C ß-5 [/QUOTE]

Currently they are not for the same thing. One is to ratfiy myself for Godhood, and the other presents other options.

The one with 3 options is the current valid one, as the votes for the first one have been discarded.

	11-07-2003 01:58									#25
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I guess there is a 4th option now that I have bowed to pressure to disclose the Tass Manoeuver (and which Maniac dismisses as No biggie - it's only useful for the first few tuens)

That fourth option would be for a temporary ban from the game until all factions know each others' starting locations - that way the knowledge inadvertently gained would become stale-dated

G.

	11-07-2003 02:17									#26
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Sound like a valid option to me. It means a sacrifice on Comrade Tass's part. But it does mean minimum costs to others. Although now everybody knows about the manoeuver. I only hope that every one of us has the courage to be truthful to the game as what Comrade Tass showed to us.

	11-07-2003 02:30									#27
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Perhaps a bit in contradiction with my previous posts about Tassadar before I knew his "offense" but:

Don't ban Tassadar!!

	11-07-2003 02:38									#28
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Well ..... what to do ????

There is resistance to giving him CMN-type powers

There is resistance to giving him private-forum access powers

There is resistance to banning him, albeit temporarily

There is resistance to having every faction employ the manoeuvre

Is there any resistance to continuing as if nothing has happened, and let the Hive gain what it can from this knowledge?

G

	11-07-2003 02:52									#29
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Let him play w/ the Hive. They've already proved they can deal with the inside info honorably.

	11-07-2003 02:55									#30
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How about continuing with Tass in the Hive and depending upon his much-touted honor not to reveal anything untoward?

If he can do that, some redemption might be found in the eyes of the distrustful. If he cannot, only small harm will be done.