09-07-2003 22:13									#1
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The save is upon us.

	09-07-2003 22:18									#2
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If we aren't already (dunno, haven't looked at the screenshots in several turns), can we please move our troops into position to load our galleys and prepare for an attack on RP?

Even if we decide not to do it, we should be prepared.

Second, we need to decide on a course of action re: Bobian affairs.

My current thoughts are these:

1) Do a limited NAP with GoW.
2) Tell them that if they were to happen to get into a war with ND, we'd be happy to sell them iron.
3) Hope GoW hits ND.
4) If 3=yes, then invade RP.

-Arrian

	09-07-2003 22:30									#3
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No, all of our galleys are unloaded. And yes, I think we should begin packing up.
Re 2: I'd tell them that we'd gift them iron rather than sell it.

	09-07-2003 22:48									#4
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Yeah, I was thinking about gifting too, but then I thought maybe we could get some minimal compensation for it. I certainly don't intend to haggle over it.

How's this: gifted iron during the war in exchange for an ironclad NAP for 20 turns post-war?

-Arrian

	09-07-2003 23:18									#5
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Of course, the details will have to be worked out (such as what defines the end of war), and a "spirit of the agreement, not just its particular wording" clause will have to be put in. But that's for another thread.
Right now, we have to start packing up. Let's do it this turn.

	09-07-2003 23:20									#6
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We don't know yet what kind of army we are taking to Bob. But surely we all agree that some of the units that we'll send will be MedInfs, so let's begin with that.

	09-07-2003 23:34									#7
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I would start with med infs + pikes and a settler.

We have three basic options for an invasion:

1) Inchon-style landing inside RPs territory.
2) Inchon-style landing outside RPs territory (SE coast).
3) Leave out the settler, and rely on capturing a coastal city.

I need to look at a recent map before I decide which I want, but it's definitely between #1 and #2. It just depends on which one provides us with the best protection for our forces and the best opportunity to deal damage to RP (read: capture/destroy their core). Actually, time required to reinforce is another key factor. Landing in the SE, outside their territory, means our galleys will take longer to shuttle over more troops. So I suspect #1 is the most viable approach.

Pikes, Med Inf, settler. Then go back for cats & knights.

How many galleys do we have available for this?

-Arrian

	10-07-2003 00:02									#8
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Do we have any clear, compelling evidence that GoW wants to attack ND rather than allying with ND against RP? If GoW is contemplating an alliance with ND and we suggest supporting them in an attack on ND, that could really blow up in our faces.

	10-07-2003 00:32									#9
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Perhaps, perhaps no.

And again, I just don't see how ND & GoW would divide up RPs land. ND would get FAR more out of it, unless GoW got a leader to rush a FP down in RPland, but even then they would have problems defending it. From a security and corruption standpoint, it makes a lot more sense for GoW to take over ND than a piece of RP.

-Arrian

	10-07-2003 01:12									#10
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The way to do it so that it does not blow up on us is to just make the enabeling NAPs. They will arrive at their own conclusions. Create the conditions for war, don't openly urge it.

	10-07-2003 02:01									#12
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BUT, when the time comes, we should partner with GOW, not just concurrently fight out two wars.

	10-07-2003 02:07									#13
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I think that is something that will develop on its own course. They are asking for the partnership. I think it is entirely possible that they make the suggestion to us that we settle with Bob prior to doing anything with Lego. It is their butts hanging in the wind if we (they and us) went after Lego prior to taming the Bob situation.

	10-07-2003 03:02									#14
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Certainly, GOW asking for the partnership would / will be optimal... I just (at this point) strongly believe that we should, in fact, enter into that partnership.

	10-07-2003 04:13									#15
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I agree.. let them ask. I start to like the NAP idea more and more, as long as it stays private for as long as possible.

In the extreme it could even go as far as a single sided MPP, in that we declare war against whoever GoW attacks, for the right kind of pay, of course. And we guarantee to provide iron, at a modest price

DeepO

	10-07-2003 04:26									#16
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DAMN!

Sorry, don't want to curse, but I just made a heavy mistake, I hope I corrected it soon enough to avoid anyone spotting it

I posted something in the saved game thread (which I was viewing in another window) along the lines of "RP's galley is now at WW7, right? Too bad, we could have moved our 3 galleys into a city last turn, without them spotting us"

I noticed it almost immediately (took about 10 seconds or so), and removed as fast as 'poly let me, I just hope nobody saw it

DeepO

	10-07-2003 05:19									#17
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That is serious, DeepO. Good thing you caught it. I see you got it within the first 15 or 30 seconds (there is no edited by note, which means you were fast). It should be OK. The chances that an RP player saw the new post, and went to that page before you edited are kind of small.

Just a note though. Isn't that the third time someone from our team has posted in the wrong forum/thread like that? Hopefully that's the last, and it will be if we are all careful.

	10-07-2003 14:52									#18
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I'm pulling an elite pike and four vet MedInfs back from the northern front this turn. That will give us six vet MedInfs, four regulars, six pikes, and some cats that can be deployed toward RP pretty quickly while still maintaining our northern garrison against Vox. We can pull more forces down if war with RP looks imminent, but I'd rather keep the Voxian front strong until Vox leaves and/or it's clearer how the geopolitical/warfare situation is going to shape up.

Regarding the transport situation, we have four galleys that I just moved into Monsoon to reduce their visibility and three coming up from the south. That gives us seven galleys and the troops to man them available to load four turns from now.

If we do invade, we probably want a knight or two in the initial invasion force. MedInfs can't attack the last unit in a stack and get back under cover to avoid being counterattacked. Knights can if the terrain/road situation permits.

	10-07-2003 15:42									#19
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Turn and shots sent.

	10-07-2003 16:11									#20
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Yeah, I know it was a serious mistake, and am sorry for it... it was unintentional, of course, but still very unfortunate. I didn't remember the post counts, so don't know if anyone spotted it, I tried to check whether many people were online, but from RP only Togas seemed to be (of the ones I know).

It was even the 4th or 5th time this happened to one of us, the first time for me. Looking at the amount of posts we generate, it can't be avoided, but still... a little caution certainly is in order. When it's late, or when I return from a bar, I never post anything in the public forum anymore, and intend to keep that rule.. I don't see any new guidelines I can keep to to avoid this kind of posts altogether (apart from browsing in one window only, but with 'poly's problems and speed the past months, that is no option)

DeepO

	10-07-2003 17:21									#21
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Since this seems to happen to us quite often, should we use this method in the future to launch mis-information?

	10-07-2003 17:56									#22
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What about research?

Havn't we decided to research banking, or are we delaying it to get our prebuilds organized?

	10-07-2003 18:05									#23
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@ Sir Ralph... not a bad idea, but I think it might go against our nature.

What is it with our team and posting threads in the wrong forum?

-Arrian