10-07-2003 05:56									#1
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How come no one has made a scenario set in northeastern Europe starting at about 1550? With Sweden, Denmark, Russia, Poland/Lithuania as major players, maybe Livonian Knights, Prussians (the Duchy was the first Protestant state although it was a vassal of Poland) Lübeck, the Hanseatic or Wendish Leagues as minor actors? Plus colorful personalities like Ivan the Terrible and Vasa. Alex Mor had made a bunch of units useable in this time period, including the "winged" Polish cavalry. There was almost constant fighting until 1721 - and speaking of that the Great Northern War scenario has a perfect map for this.

I have only seen one book in English on the subject. But there must be a lot of information in Swedish, Polish or even German.

So get to work you Nordic lazybones! Always wrecking the bell curve for other nations with your low crime and nice social programs....

	10-07-2003 09:06									#2
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quote: nice social programs....

Such a scenario would peak my interest.

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I didn't know there were Swedes on 'Poly.

	10-07-2003 14:52									#4
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There is a scenario by Vegard Bjørketun about the great nordic war.
My Historibus Europae runs from 1520-1721 but is on a european gigamap (both Sweden and Denmark are playable though).
My Carolus Gustavus is about Sweden's meddling in the Polish deluge wars (the war started in 1648 but Sweden entered in 1655 and that's when the scenario starts) as well as the following Danno-Swedish war (if one would like to undertake it).
I do believe Arne Schmied worked on something about the Hansa.

Historibus is available at the spanish civ site and Carolus Gustavus as well as the older version of Vegards scenario (by the name of Casus Belli, he was reworking this for a rerelease but I am not sure what became of that ) is available at the site in my profile /self promotion

This said I've begun to agree with you, a scenario on a scandinavian map (+some of Russia and Northern Germany) would be very nice... Might try it out once I finnish my current projects.

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Well I like your idea, but I'm a really crappy scenario designer Though if anyone is willing to create such a scenario I can help with digging fact etc.

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Well, the idea about war over Livonia isn't bad.
I know the historical context of it...
But I have other work to do.

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The scandinavians have good women. Big breasts.

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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos The scandinavians have good women. Big breasts.

Most American's knowledge about the area is limited to the fact that that Sweden has a good bikini team.

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And the Greeks' too apparently.

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Sweden seems to be a scary, atheistic land.

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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Sweden seems to be a scary, atheistic land.

Well not scary, but very atheistic. Since there is no god in this cruel world..

Seems like we should have this discussion in OT? :P

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Btw, I've actually made a scenario about the area. It starts in 1200 A.D, but I don't have any plans to release it since I haven't changed much from the original game.

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Normally I would say "why?", but Ming's angry... End of this question.

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quote: Originally posted by Michael Daumen Most American's knowledge about the area is limited to the fact that that Sweden has a good bikini team.

Ha!

Actually there was a poll ,some time ago, about which peoples the Greeks like the most. And the swedes came up first!

Swedish women have a big reputation here.
Very big....

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Well, in Polish rating, Italians and Americans were on the first place, with British and French after them; Sweden was on the fifth place, still higher than any other of our neighbours.

	13-07-2003 19:41									#15
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Errr, good idea, too bad i suck at scenario making. But one thing that would be cooler is a soviet invasion of sweden ^^

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I don't like this one.

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quote: Originally posted by Nibbe Errr, good idea, too bad i suck at scenario making. But one thing that would be cooler is a soviet invasion of sweden ^^

Hehe.. When I was bored once I started to make a scenario about Denmark invading Sweden I'm actually very proud of my map of Skåne :P

edit: spelling

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Can't have too many maps of Skåne/Scania, please post it

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I don't think it is what you're expecting (because it covers mostly Öresund) but here you go

(It's zipped with the zip-program that follows Win XP so if you don't have XP you might find problem with unzipping.)

Attachment: skanza.zip
This has been downloaded 7 time(s).

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quote: Originally posted by Arthedain Hehe.. When I was bored once I started to make a scenario about Denmark invading Sweden I'm actually very proud of my map of Skåne :P edit: spelling

Culd you post what you have don on this scenario?
I also have some ideas on such a scenario....

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BTW, Nice map of Skåne.

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hehe glad you liked the map... actually I haven't done much... just playing and experimenting with graphics..

here's a zip file you can use to see some of the graphics I wanted to use..

Attachment: graphics.zip
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

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quote: Originally posted by gerryandersson BTW, Nice map of Skåne.

Is that just because I marked Billesholm on the map? hehe.. Btw, I lived in Ekeby for a while, but now I live in Helsingborg.

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quote: Originally posted by Arthedain Is that just because I marked Billesholm on the map? hehe.. Btw, I lived in Ekeby for a while, but now I live in Helsingborg.

My father lives in Ekeby... And one of my best friends lives in Helsingborg... I go to school in Ramlösa.

Fore the scenario that I have some ideas on, I actuly planed for some hevey fighting in Billesholm... almost like in "Red Dawn" (Röd Gryning).

One other idea I have is about an revolt in Skåne that also include (indirectly) a revolt on Gotland and Finnish support to Sweden.

I have come quit far on both ideas but onley in my messy head.

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quote: Originally posted by gerryandersson My father lives in Ekeby... And one of my best friends lives in Helsingborg... I go to school in Ramlösa. Fore the scenario that I have some ideas on, I actuly planed for some hevey fighting in Billesholm... almost like in "Red Dawn" (Röd Gryning). One other idea I have is about an revolt in Skåne that also include (indirectly) a revolt on Gotland and Finnish support to Sweden. I have come quit far on both ideas but onley in my messy head.

you go to school in ramlöa? cool! I don't go to school anymore (tog studenten i år) . A scenario I was thinking about included a revolt on Åland cause most people there is swedish... anyways, I got to go now and join the party here cu!

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quote: Originally posted by Arthedain you go to school in ramlöa? cool! I don't go to school anymore (tog studenten i år) . A scenario I was thinking about included a revolt on Åland cause most people there is swedish... anyways, I got to go now and join the party here cu!

Yes, it is caled "Impius Gymnasium". You probobly have seen the big building nere the train station (Diligencia?) and it whas in the news paper (HD).

Any way, about this scenario on an invasion of Sweden by Denmark. I thout it culd take place in the late 40s - early 50s using alot of ww2 style equipment. Denmark will get some help by Norway and Sweden will get some help from Finnland. There is going to be allot of different infantry units including manny differant "partisan units".
The Danish will have large "fixt" artillary pices that shots missile like shels across Örresund (some thing like in the Stalingrad scen). Landings will acure North and South of Malmö, at Viken and some were outside Helsingborg.

How dose that sound? Please give me your thoughts.
(I might open a seperat thred when/if I get started on this scenario)

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quote: Originally posted by gerryandersson Any way, about this scenario on an invasion of Sweden by Denmark. I thout it culd take place in the late 40s - early 50s using alot of ww2 style equipment. Denmark will get some help by Norway and Sweden will get some help from Finnland. There is going to be allot of different infantry units including manny differant "partisan units". The Danish will have large "fixt" artillary pices that shots missile like shels across Örresund (some thing like in the Stalingrad scen). Landings will acure North and South of Malmö, at Viken and some were outside Helsingborg. How dose that sound? Please give me your thoughts. (I might open a seperat thred when/if I get started on this scenario)

I think it sounds very cool. And if you need any help you can always pm me or something.. (Det underlättar ju att båda är svenskar) I can make thew map bigger if you like (so it includes more of Denmark or Sweden). We can make a joint project? tell me what you think about it

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Hey I'd be happy to help out as well if you want me too

The Swedes of Apolyton's own scenario

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quote: Originally posted by Henrik Hey I'd be happy to help out as well if you want me too The Swedes of Apolyton's own scenario

That would be real cool Henrik

You guys use MSN Messenger or something? PM me

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Sounds good Arthedain and Henrik, a joint scenario project, me not being werry experienced in scenario making but i know how it works.

Im opening a seperat thred...